Amnorix - it's time for the Hoodie Bowl

[Mile High Mania]

Yeah, yeah... this is a Chiefs' board, but I wanted to stir something up with the resident NE fan. I definitely like the location of this game and it has to be nothing but a solid advantage for Denver. If Dallas was favored by a FG, I'm guessing NE will be favored by at least 6-7 points.

It is what it is, but if Denver's defense plays like they have in the first 4 games... then it's going to be a close game and one that Denver could actually win. Can they go 5-0? That's a tall freaking order, but they're slowly getting more aggressive on offense and defensively, they're going to be tested for 4 straight quarters with NE.

The realists in me says Denver will not go 5-0... something has to give and Denver will lose a number of games this year, but I'm very optimistic about their chances of winning if they can put the pressure on Brady like they did with Romo.

Amnorix - what do you think of this matchup? Oh, and the rest of you can chime in as well... this will be an interesting chess match between teacher and pupil.

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Stats are stats... but, here you go.

Total Offense
Patriots - 8th
Passing - 5th overall (273 ypg) / Rushing 18th (102 ypg)
Broncos - 9th
Passing - 17th overall (217 ypg) / Rushing 4th (148 ypg)

NE averages 21.8 points per game / DEN averages 19.8 points per game
NE ranked 3rd in TOP with 35+ minutes / DEN ranked 12th with 30+ minutes

Total Defense
Patriots - 8th
Passing - 8th (192 ypg) / 11th (95 ypg)
Broncos - 2nd
Passing - 3rd overall (162 yg) / 5th (77 ypg)

NE allowing 17.8 points per game / DEN allowing 6.5 points per game
NE ranked 14th with 8 sacks / DEN ranked #1 with 15 sacks

[Garcia Bronco]

Originally Posted by Amnorix

So the Ravens say. They seem to complain about the refs alot when they lose to the Patriots. I dont' blame them -- the Brady rule is annoying for defensive players. I'm not hugely in favor of some of them myself. But learn the rules and play by them is all you can do.

Those two calls were complete BS and you know it that result in two TD's. That's okay. We'll hit him high and make him say Matte.

[Christofire]

Originally Posted by Amnorix

4. McDaniels is a good coach, and I have no doubt he has several very explicit thoughts on the weaknesses of the Patriots players. That said, it's not as if every other team in the NFL hasn't been attacking the Patriots' perceived weaknesses for years.

Perhaps that's part of the reason the Pats had so much of the roster turnover you talked about in the offseason. He knew guys like Pioli and McDaniels knew too much about his current defensive players and schemes, so now was the time to start bringing in fresh guys, and tweak the schemes to the new players' talents, thus reducing the value of prior inside info.

[Garcia Bronco]

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New Brady Rule

[BY1401]

Originally Posted by Garcia Bronco

No that it means anything in the game coming up, but we flat out own the Patriots, period.

I remember there used to be a three-way ownagefest several years back.

The Patriots owned the Colts.
The Broncos owned the Patriots.
The Colts owned the Broncos.

Wash, rinse, repeat.

[Amnorix]

Originally Posted by Garcia Bronco

Those two calls were complete BS and you know it that result in two TD's. That's okay. We'll hit him high and make him say Matte.

Pats had an identical helmet slap penalty called for a hit on Flacco by Mike Wright, and the helmet slap thing has been a penalty for approximately forever.

And, newslfash, going at or below the knees is a penalty now. You may not have heard, but they instituted this new rule about it a little while ago...

Ray Lewis might wish the rules were teh same as when he came into the league in '97 or whatever. I wish that too sometimes, but all the players can do is play by the rules.

[Amnorix]

Originally Posted by Garcia Bronco

I remember it. I also know we have your coach that made it happen for you offensively. It should be a good game and your team could definately win the game, but lets not act like your team is some kind of juggernaut that's unstoppable.

Right. Belichick just sat there and watched while Weis and McDaniels did their thing. Without them, he's helpless. If only he understood how to play offensive football.

I humbly suggest that the Patriots have far more unstoppable juggernaut potential than the Broncos. Whether potential becomes reality has yet to be determined.

[RJ]

Originally Posted by Amnorix

Pats had an identical helmet slap penalty called for a hit on Flacco by Mike Wright, and the helmet slap thing has been a penalty for approximately forever.

And, newslfash, going at or below the knees is a penalty now. You may not have heard, but they instituted this new rule about it a little while ago...

Ray Lewis might wish the rules were teh same as when he came into the league in '97 or whatever. I wish that too sometimes, but all the players can do is play by the rules.

That's the BS part of the Suggs call. He didn't do anything outside the rules. He brushed close enough to Brady's legs for Brady to put on a show and the ref threw the flag. I don't believe any other qb in the league gets that call. The head slaps are a different story, the defender has to be smart enough to not hit the helmet, but there was nothing Suggs could have or should have done different.

[Garcia Bronco]

Originally Posted by Amnorix

Pats had an identical helmet slap penalty called for a hit on Flacco by Mike Wright, and the helmet slap thing has been a penalty for approximately forever.

And, newslfash, going at or below the knees is a penalty now. You may not have heard, but they instituted this new rule about it a little while ago...

Ray Lewis might wish the rules were teh same as when he came into the league in '97 or whatever. I wish that too sometimes, but all the players can do is play by the rules.

The thing is he grazed Brady. It was a ridiculous call.

[Just Passin' By]

Originally Posted by RJ

I think Brady is the only QB in the league who gets that call on Suggs.

Go watch a replay of the penalty called on Wilfork for hitting Edwards in the Buffalo game. The notion that only Brady gets that call is absurd.

[Garcia Bronco]

Originally Posted by Amnorix

I humbly suggest that the Patriots have far more unstoppable juggernaut potential than the Broncos. Whether potential becomes reality has yet to be determined.

Maybe. You guys will probably win 40 to 14.

[Amnorix]

Originally Posted by RJ

That's the BS part of the Suggs call. He didn't do anything outside the rules. He brushed close enough to Brady's legs for Brady to put on a show and the ref threw the flag. I don't believe any other qb in the league gets that call. The head slaps are a different story, the defender has to be smart enough to not hit the helmet, but there was nothing Suggs could have or should have done different.

I haven't watched the play 10 times from different angles or anything. From the 2 or 3 times I saw it replayed during the game, it appeared he simply went low without any good reason, admittedly not hitting Brady hard, but with potentially malicious intent. Talk up here is for Suggs to expect to receive a fine from the league.

What redeeming circumstances did I miss, other than that he didn't, in fact, blow out anyone's knee?

[Amnorix]

Originally Posted by Garcia Bronco

The thing is he grazed Brady. It was a ridiculous call.

yeah, that's the issue. Dungy said the same thing last night. Not quite sure how the rule was written, but if it's any hit at or below the knees, as is likely, then what do you expect?

The helmet slaps in yesterday's Pats/Ravens game, by both players, were pretty damn soft. Neither one was a wind up and knock 'em out type of head shot.

[RJ]

Originally Posted by Amnorix

I haven't watched the play 10 times from different angles or anything. From the 2 or 3 times I saw it replayed during the game, it appeared he simply went low without any good reason, admittedly not hitting Brady hard, but with potentially malicious intent. Talk up here is for Suggs to expect to receive a fine from the league.

If Suggs had had malicious intent, he could have messed Brady up pretty bad. I think most NFL fans are probably in agreement that the QB's are over-protected, but I also understand that the teams, the league, the networks and the sponsors all have a lot of money riding on the marquee QB's staying healthy.

[teedubya]

The Broncos being 4-0 is a HUGE crock of shit.

[Sure-Oz]

Orton is a beast