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Sure-Oz · 09:39 PM

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Bears acquired DE Gaines Adams from the Buccaneers in exchange for what is believed to be a 2010 second-round draft pick.
While Bucs GM Mark Dominik mails in the season by dealing off his most gifted pass rusher and nearing insertion of an underclassman rookie QB, Bears GM Jerry Angelo is in the talent acquisition business. Trading first-day picks isn't advised, except when the return is a 26-year-old with dominating ability and a contract through 2012. Jim Bates, who's clearly lost his touch, couldn't get enough out of Adams in his first season as Bucs defensive coordinator. It's a good bet that Bears defensive line coach Rod Marinelli will.
Source: Adam Schefter on Twitter
Related: Buccaneers

CoMoChief · 10-16-2009, 07:24 PM

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Originally Posted by smittysbar

Great deal for the Bears

You have all these cool golf tags.....

Yet you can't golf worth a shit.

Just saying.

Have a good night Smits' O Shits.

TFG · 10-16-2009, 07:24 PM

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Originally Posted by milkman

Well, we're stuck in the 34.

Is there any reason that Adams couldn't have transitioned to OLB in this defense and done a better job than Hali?

Unclear. He has precisely no experience doing that.

Personally, I thought the kid was way overrated coming out, a one trick pony with speed off the outside but lacking in power and overhyped because of several hi-lite plays at Clemson - one a kick block for a TD and another some form of turnover for a TD. There were college OTs who handled him.

Mecca · 10-16-2009, 07:24 PM

I remember all the people laughing on draft day going "yea look Maualuga isn't as good as you thought look at him fall"

NFL people ****ed that one up.

Mecca · 10-16-2009, 07:25 PM

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Originally Posted by milkman

My point, exactly.

You add Gaines Adams this year, draft Taylor Mays (my preference) in the first, and Kris O'Dowd in the second (Atlanta's pick, based on Wlter's mock), and that's a great first three picks.

You USC homer..

I actually think Mays will transition to the pro game better than Berry will.

carlos3652 · 10-16-2009, 07:26 PM

Flopnuts you nailed it...
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'Hamas' Jenkins · 10-16-2009, 07:27 PM

Yup, Floppy. The 3-4 only "works" because you can get better players later in the draft as tweeners when others aren't running the systems. When more people run it, it negates the value of the scheme.

Never. Chase. Trends.

It didn't work with the WCO, it didn't work with the Tampa 2, and it's not gonna work in the 3-4. You can't just start cloning NTs and rushbackers to fill the void.

If everyone is going after oversized players, then they become overvalued. Allocate your resources on better, smaller players, and you'll get more out of the later stages of the draft.

You'd think that someone whose job to manage a professional football team would realize this.

Mecca · 10-16-2009, 07:27 PM

Do you really think it's some coincidence that 4 of the top 5 ranked D's play 4-3 now?

Easier to field those D's now that half the league has a 3-4 obsession which is actually harder to find talent for.

carlos3652 · 10-16-2009, 07:29 PM

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Originally Posted by CoMoChief

That would give us still

1st
2nd
4th
whatever for thigpen

plus we have a top 5 WR thats still young thats the downfield threat we need because

THIS TEAM IS SLOOOOOOOOOOOW.

I dont think Edwards would have been available for a 3rd and a 5th fo us since we don't have two other players cle wanted - we probably would have had to fork over a 1st and 3rd or 2nd and 3rd and 5 th... Thing is we don't know...
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Mecca · 10-16-2009, 07:29 PM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

Yup, Floppy. The 3-4 only "works" because you can get better players later in the draft as tweeners when others aren't running the systems. When more people run it, it negates the value of the scheme.

Never. Chase. Trends.

It didn't work with the WCO, it didn't work with the Tampa 2, and it's not gonna work in the 3-4. You can't just start cloning NTs and rushbackers to fill the void.

If everyone is going after oversized players, then they become overvalued. Allocate your resources on better, smaller players, and you'll get more out of the later stages of the draft.

You'd think that someone whose job to manage a professional football team would realize this.

Like I said awhile back, these people have had these jobs so long and work in such bubbles the obvious becomes something they don't look at. They think they can make things work that anyone outside that loop knows won't work.

When you've been doing something to long you tend to not look at things as simple and logical as a new person would.

TFG · 10-16-2009, 07:29 PM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

You dumb sonofabitch, we have the second now.

Pioli couldn't have offered said second for Adams today?

OK, trade the pick you received for TG. Yeah, about same estimated value ATL and CHI right now. KC's own second would be worth more.

The question is why would you want him. Gaines Adams has pretty well proven he isn't special off the edge and not close to special in any other way.

Believe it or not, but the NFL is not "precise" with the Draft. Where Adams was Drafted doesn't matter. What he has done on the field does. The Bears overpaid. Adams has not demonstrated Second Round value on the field, with ample opportunity to do so.

Richard Seymour, on the other hand, has.

Mecca · 10-16-2009, 07:31 PM

LOL, yea Adams doesn't have late 2nd round value, I'll take Turk McBride!

Or how about Tyson Jackson...

milkman · 10-16-2009, 07:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

You USC homer..

I actually think Mays will transition to the pro game better than Berry will.

You know, one might think that, given how badly I wanted to draft Sanchez and Mauluga last year, and O'Dowd and Mays this year.

But the fact is, in watching SC, these guys not only bring talent, but a level of intensity that I didn't see in Curry, or Berry.

Now if I had the picks in the right places in the draft,the LB I'd want most this year is Spikes.

And I would love to draft Mardy Gilyard.

'Hamas' Jenkins · 10-16-2009, 07:33 PM

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Originally Posted by TFG

OK, trade the pick you received for TG. Yeah, about same estimated value ATL and CHI right now. KC's own second would be worth more.

The question is why would you want him. Gaines Adams has pretty well proven he isn't special off the edge and not close to special in any other way.

Believe it or not, but the NFL is not "precise" with the Draft. Where Adams was Drafted doesn't matter. What he has done on the field does. The Bears overpaid. Adams has not demonstrated Second Round value on the field, with ample opportunity to do so.

Richard Seymour, on the other hand, has.

12.5 sacks in just a little over 2 NFL seasons with a lot of room to grow and great physical tools.

He's also only 26 years old.

He's the best front 4 player from that draft class, both in ability and production

**cdcox** · 10-16-2009, 07:34 PM

I think the planet's brain trust could build a winning NFL franchise.

Mecca · 10-16-2009, 07:35 PM

One thing I love about USC defensive players transitioning to the next level is they understand scheme discipline and how to play like an NFL team would want since they do it in college.

A lot of times the best defender on a college team will just free lance and run around and make plays.

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Sure-Oz Stay positive, don't give up Join Date: Dec 2001 Casino cash: $3179383	Bears land 2007 No. 4 pick Adams from Bucs Gaines Adams-DL-Bears Oct. 16 - 8:45 pm et Bears acquired DE Gaines Adams from the Buccaneers in exchange for what is believed to be a 2010 second-round draft pick. While Bucs GM Mark Dominik mails in the season by dealing off his most gifted pass rusher and nearing insertion of an underclassman rookie QB, Bears GM Jerry Angelo is in the talent acquisition business. Trading first-day picks isn't advised, except when the return is a 26-year-old with dominating ability and a contract through 2012. Jim Bates, who's clearly lost his touch, couldn't get enough out of Adams in his first season as Bucs defensive coordinator. It's a good bet that Bears defensive line coach Rod Marinelli will. Source: Adam Schefter on Twitter Related: Buccaneers Last edited by Sure-Oz; 10-16-2009 at 09:39 PM.. Reason: updated
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10-16-2009, 07:24 PM	#33
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10-16-2009, 07:26 PM	#35
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'Hamas' Jenkins Now you've pissed me off! Join Date: Jan 2006 Casino cash: $7919572	Yup, Floppy. The 3-4 only "works" because you can get better players later in the draft as tweeners when others aren't running the systems. When more people run it, it negates the value of the scheme. Never. Chase. Trends. It didn't work with the WCO, it didn't work with the Tampa 2, and it's not gonna work in the 3-4. You can't just start cloning NTs and rushbackers to fill the void. If everyone is going after oversized players, then they become overvalued. Allocate your resources on better, smaller players, and you'll get more out of the later stages of the draft. You'd think that someone whose job to manage a professional football team would realize this. __________________ "When the Know-Nothings get control, it will read 'all men are created equal, except negroes, and foreigners, and Catholics.' When it comes to this I should prefer emigrating to some country where they make no pretense of loving liberty – to Russia, for instance, where despotism can be taken pure, and without the base alloy of hypocrisy.”--Abraham Lincoln
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10-16-2009, 07:27 PM	#37
Mecca Hockey Town Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Kansas City, Missouri Casino cash: $2147050	Do you really think it's some coincidence that 4 of the top 5 ranked D's play 4-3 now? Easier to field those D's now that half the league has a 3-4 obsession which is actually harder to find talent for.
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10-16-2009, 07:31 PM	#41
Mecca Hockey Town Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Kansas City, Missouri Casino cash: $2147050	LOL, yea Adams doesn't have late 2nd round value, I'll take Turk McBride! Or how about Tyson Jackson...
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10-16-2009, 07:35 PM	#45
Mecca Hockey Town Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Kansas City, Missouri Casino cash: $2147050	One thing I love about USC defensive players transitioning to the next level is they understand scheme discipline and how to play like an NFL team would want since they do it in college. A lot of times the best defender on a college team will just free lance and run around and make plays.
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