Chiefs It's all about the offensive line. - Page 3

Chris Meck · 10-25-2009, 05:45 PM

Seriously. We cannot run block. We cannot pass block. We cannot hang on to the ball, so our defense tires and gives up big plays.

No skill position player is going to amount to squat when the line is that bad.

People want to take a safety in the top 3? Really? What good is that going to do? We'll lose by 20 instead of 30, I guess.

This line needs a complete and total overhaul. That's as bad of a line as I've ever seen. A complete abortion.

Waters is just as bad as all the rest at this point in his career, too. the ONLY (kind of maybe) bright spots today were Barry Richardson's mediocre to fair job at LT and Smith at C did fair. The rest have no place on an NFL field.

googlegoogle · 10-25-2009, 06:08 PM

To pass the ball you must have time to throw. To run the ball you need running lanes. We need a 'mediocre' Oline. Our Oline is AWFUL. If we drafted the Boise State left tackle and the BA then we would be way better. Seriously. Herm was REACHING just like all of us were too on GD.

**Rain Man** · 10-25-2009, 06:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

That still makes no sense rainman, why would you go invest in the QB then not do anything with the OL that year?

That theory would have made sense if they had drafted a rookie and sat him. Basically putting a bum out there to be the sacrifice.

Keep in mind that I wanted o-linemen too, so I'm not saying it's my preferred strategy. But putting a QB out there is really no different than a lot of expansion teams' strategies - David Carr, Tim Couch, Archie Manning, etc. And Cassel was "only" a second-round pick, so maybe they thought he had the potential to be the franchise, but even if not, they could still trot him out there while they're rebuilding. Who knows?

Mecca · 10-25-2009, 06:09 PM

In fairness no one really thought Clady was that good.

Mecca · 10-25-2009, 06:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Rain Man

Keep in mind that I wanted o-linemen too, so I'm not saying it's my preferred strategy. But putting a QB out there is really no different than a lot of expansion teams' strategies - David Carr, Tim Couch, Archie Manning, etc. And Cassel was "only" a second-round pick, so maybe they thought he had the potential to be the franchise, but even if not, they could still trot him out there while they're rebuilding. Who knows?

It makes them look like they don't know what they're doing is what it does...

'Hamas' Jenkins · 10-25-2009, 06:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Rain Man

And Cassel was "only" a second-round pick, so maybe they thought he had the potential to be the franchise, but even if not, they could still trot him out there while they're rebuilding. Who knows?

Cassel isn't a discrete entity.

milkman · 10-25-2009, 06:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

In fairness no one really thought Clady was that good.

I thought Clady was going to be good, as a pass blocker.

I didn't think he'd be this good this quick at run blocking.

He's gotten some excellent coaching, and that is another area that we are far behind in.

Simplex3 · 10-25-2009, 06:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

Blame the almighty GM for not using any mid round picks on OL when it was a very deep OL draft class.

Yeah, because the Chiefs were solid at every other position.

If you weren't bitching about the OL you'd be bitching about some other position group Pioli "ignored".

Simplex3 · 10-25-2009, 06:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

Here's the real question...

Is the new regime either so poor at talent evaluation they thought these guys were fine or are they so arrogant they literally thought "hey we can coach up any scrubs in our scheme they'll work out"

Whichever one it is it's a horrible sign.

Or it could be that Clark spent so much time making his decision that every other team in the league had a two month plus head start.

**DeezNutz** · 10-25-2009, 06:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Simplex3

Yeah, because the Chiefs were solid at every other position.

If you weren't bitching about the OL you'd be bitching about some other position group Pioli "ignored".

Why are you so adamant about defending Pioli tonight?

Up to this point, it seems pretty undeniable that the dude has orchestrated a pretty impressive cluster ****.

Mecca · 10-25-2009, 06:17 PM

I see Simplex is here to provide a great take.

The Chiefs ignored the value of the draft, simple as that. It's been said tons of times, ignore if you like.

Mecca · 10-25-2009, 06:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Simplex3

Or it could be that Clark spent so much time making his decision that every other team in the league had a two month plus head start.

They were hired before FA and the draft right?

Alright, so we have 3 options...they are either arrogant, incompetent, or Clark is cheap...or maybe it's all 3 because money doesn't explain the draft decisions.

Simplex3 · 10-25-2009, 06:18 PM

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I find it funny how all the things said on draft day are coming true yet anyone who dared say them 6 months ago was crucified.

All of them, huh? Like how Sanchez was going to be tearing up the league his entire rookie season?

Mecca · 10-25-2009, 06:20 PM

Who said he was going to be awesome as a rookie? No one thinks rookie QB's will tear it up unless they are tards.

But that's a hell of a way to put words in peoples mouths.

**DeezNutz** · 10-25-2009, 06:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Simplex3

All of them, huh? Like how Sanchez was going to be tearing up the league his entire rookie season?

Link? Other than those from ROR?

Most said he had tremendous upside, and many were saying it would be absolutely the right decision to sit him his entire n00b year.

ChiefsCountry · 10-25-2009, 06:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

In fairness no one really thought Clady was that good.

I think we figured he would be good in Denver's Zone Blocking Scheme.

10-25-2009, 05:45 PM
Chris Meck MVP Join Date: May 2001 Location: midtown KC Casino cash: $-1455090	It's all about the offensive line. Seriously. We cannot run block. We cannot pass block. We cannot hang on to the ball, so our defense tires and gives up big plays. No skill position player is going to amount to squat when the line is that bad. People want to take a safety in the top 3? Really? What good is that going to do? We'll lose by 20 instead of 30, I guess. This line needs a complete and total overhaul. That's as bad of a line as I've ever seen. A complete abortion. Waters is just as bad as all the rest at this point in his career, too. the ONLY (kind of maybe) bright spots today were Barry Richardson's mediocre to fair job at LT and Smith at C did fair. The rest have no place on an NFL field.
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10-25-2009, 06:08 PM	#31
googlegoogle Banned Join Date: Nov 2008 Casino cash: $10004900	To pass the ball you must have time to throw. To run the ball you need running lanes. We need a 'mediocre' Oline. Our Oline is AWFUL. If we drafted the Boise State left tackle and the BA then we would be way better. Seriously. Herm was REACHING just like all of us were too on GD.
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10-25-2009, 06:09 PM	#33
Mecca Hockey Town Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Kansas City, Missouri Casino cash: $-782950	In fairness no one really thought Clady was that good.
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Mecca Hockey Town Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Kansas City, Missouri Casino cash: $-782950	I see Simplex is here to provide a great take. The Chiefs ignored the value of the draft, simple as that. It's been said tons of times, ignore if you like.
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10-25-2009, 06:20 PM	#43
Mecca Hockey Town Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Kansas City, Missouri Casino cash: $-782950	Who said he was going to be awesome as a rookie? No one thinks rookie QB's will tear it up unless they are tards. But that's a hell of a way to put words in peoples mouths.
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