Updated draft order from GBN...

[Coogs]

For those of you who were wanting to know!

http://www.gbnreport.com/

(12:01 AM): Top pick on line in Monday nighter… The final weekly draft first round selection order for the opening round of the 2010 draft won’t be decided until after tonight’s Monday night game between Cleveland and Baltimore. If the Browns lose to the Ravens, Cleveland and St. Louis would be tied for the #1 overall as both teams would have the identical strength of schedule based on their opponents’ combined W-L records. In a scenario in which Cleveland loses to Baltimore, Detroit would be third in the proverbial ‘if the draft were held today’ selection order, followed by Tampa Bay, Kansas City and Oakland in the 4th, 5th and 6th spots respectively. A Cleveland win over the Ravens, though, and the Browns would drop all the way down to the 6th pick with everyone else moving up one. As usual, we’ll have the updated selection order for the 2010 draft after the tonight’s Browns-Ravens dual in Cleveland.

[the Talking Can]

i hope we get a lb with our 2nd

kindle
norwood
spikes
mclain


imagine ILB with our first 2nd and Norwood with our second 2nd, berry or mays in the first....

[OnTheWarpath15]

Originally Posted by Coogs

If Bowe, Chambers, and Long continue to progress as the season goes forth, WR may not be a big need anymore. Same with Charles at RB. Defense and O-line should be high priority IMHO.

There's your answer.

Lance Long shouldn't keep this franchise from drafting a WR if he's the BPA.

[The Franchise]

Originally Posted by Coogs

If Bowe, Chambers, and Long continue to progress as the season goes forth, WR may not be a big need anymore. Same with Charles at RB. Defense and O-line should be high priority IMHO.

Gilyard is a dual-threat because he can be a #2 opposite Bowe....and he can also return kicks/punts. Same thing goes for Tate.

Chambers isn't getting any younger and he really isn't going to be a factor for this team for the future. We need to come out of the first three rounds with playmakers and immediate starters.....especially at the OLB position and safety position.

[The Franchise]

Originally Posted by the Talking Can

i hope we get a lb with our 2nd

kindle
norwood
spikes
mclain


imagine ILB with our first 2nd and Norwood with our second 2nd, berry or mays in the first....

It'd be nice but I don't see Mclain or Spikes making it out of the 1st round.

[Coogs]

Originally Posted by Pestilence

Gilyard is a dual-threat because he can be a #2 opposite Bowe....and he can also return kicks/punts. Same thing goes for Tate.

Chambers isn't getting any younger and he really isn't going to be a factor for this team for the future. We need to come out of the first three rounds with playmakers and immediate starters.....especially at the OLB position and safety position.

IIRC, there should be 3 or 4 real stud WR able to come out in 2011.

[the Talking Can]

Originally Posted by Pestilence

It'd be nice but I don't see Mclain or Spikes making it out of the 1st round.

could be, i was basing it on GBN's current top 100 ranking...I think spikes will slip with some injury concerns....

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by Pestilence

It'd be nice but I don't see Mclain or Spikes making it out of the 1st round.

Not only that, but I would much, much rather take the top Guard or Center off the board than take a second-tier ILB prospect. Regardless of how far one of them falls.

[The Franchise]

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

Not only that, but I would much, much rather take the top Guard or Center off the board than take a second-tier ILB prospect. Regardless of how far one of them falls.

Second-tier? What the **** are you smoking?

[the Talking Can]

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

Not only that, but I would much, much rather take the top Guard or Center off the board than take a second-tier ILB prospect. Regardless of how far one of them falls.

i'd take McClain over any interior lineman at that point, he is a stud

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by Pestilence

Gilyard is a dual-threat because he can be a #2 opposite Bowe....and he can also return kicks/punts. Same thing goes for Tate.

Chambers isn't getting any younger and he really isn't going to be a factor for this team for the future. We need to come out of the first three rounds with playmakers and immediate starters.....especially at the OLB position and safety position.

I usually agree that you take BPA around rounds 2 and 3. But I'll agree with Coogs on this one. Unless you have a lights out prospect that is hands down better than anyone on the board, I don't think you can justify taking a receiver here. The Chiefs can skate by with their current receiver corps and I frankly think the position is pretty overrated unless you have a complete freak playing there.

From a positional value standpoint, in the 2nd round, we're now comparing WRs who weren't considered good enough for the first round to Guards/Centers/RBs who are closer to the top of their class.

[OnTheWarpath15]

Originally Posted by the Talking Can

i'd take McClain over any interior lineman at that point, he is a stud

I'd agree with the exception of Kris O'Dowd.

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by the Talking Can

i'd take McClain over any interior lineman at that point, he is a stud

He might be. It's just that in a 3-4, I don't place very much value at all in ILBs. For as below average as Mays and Demorrio Williams are, I feel like you could build around them in the short-term with vast improvements at both Safety positions and Nose Tackle. And given that ILBs in a 3-4 tend to be role positions instead of playmaker positions, I think it's also quite possible to upgrade that position significantly later in the draft.

[the Talking Can]

Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

I'd agree with the exception of Kris O'Dowd.

i'm honestly not that familiar with OL, i'm just a fanboy for McClain and Norwood...

we could easily, and should imo, get 3 defensive starters with our first 3 picks....

[the Talking Can]

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

He might be. It's just that in a 3-4, I don't place very much value at all in ILBs. For as below average as Mays and Demorrio Williams are, I feel like you could build around them in the short-term with vast improvements at both Safety positions and Nose Tackle. And given that ILBs in a 3-4 tend to be role positions instead of playmaker positions, I think it's also quite possible to upgrade that position significantly later in the draft.

i hear you, but i think our lbs and safety's are bigger problem than NT right now...just imo

and i think McClain is a total monster, but i also understand we need a olb pass rusher more....

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by the Talking Can

i hear you, but i think our lbs and safety's are bigger problem than NT right now...just imo

and i think McClain is a total monster, but i also understand we need a olb pass rusher more....

I think the NT is one of the bigger problems on this defense. Our OLBs aren't doing terrible with the rush, but because Edwards isn't getting any push, the QB has a huge pocket to dodge any kind of pressure. Watch how many times QBs escape pressure. And if the NT does his job, the LBs don't have to worry about getting absorbed in blocks.

I think the Safety is definitely an urgency position. But the NT will make the LBs a LOT better. But granted, I don't know much about McClain and in the 2nd round, if a player is easily the BPA, then you don't pass on him.