Chiefs Bill Simmons on Tom Brady/Matt Cassel - Page 3

Hootie · 01-16-2010, 11:09 AM

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The Montreal Screw-Job Award for "Most Shocking Turn on a Beloved Figure"

I didn't call my father during the first half of the Baltimore beating. There was nothing to say. When you give up an 83-yard run to start a game against a team you know wants to run 40 times, you kinda know how it's going to turn out. We all knew the 2009 Patriots had a playoff stink bomb in them; just not in Round 1 at home. Anyway, I was too depressed to call him at halftime. After another Brady interception in the third quarter, my cell phone started vibrating. Yup, it was a text from my dad.

"We never should have traded Cassel."

(Ouch.)

Pioli Zombie · 01-16-2010, 12:32 PM

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Originally Posted by ChiefsCountry

Elway not top 5? You are about as ****ing stupid as Hootie and CoMo.
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Yeah that's pretty reeruned. Any top 5 list that isn't among Montana,Unitas,Elway,Brady,and Manning is ****ed up in my opinion.
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Frankie · 01-16-2010, 12:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Hootie

It just makes me happy as an avid fan of the NFL to see Brady finally looked upon as what he is...

A good QB who played in a great system with all of the right pieces and was the leader of a dynasty...

but not an all-time great.

I have always suspected this all along. It may be quite true.

Hootie · 01-16-2010, 12:33 PM

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Originally Posted by RJ

Define "not an all time great". Does that mean non HOF caliber? Or does it mean not in the top 5 all time discussion?

He's definitely HOF caliber...but he's a full tier below, at least, behind the all-time greats.

And the all-time greats are probably a full tier below Peyton Manning.

milkman · 01-16-2010, 12:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Pioli Zombie

There was a portion of the Patriot fanbase at the end of 2008 who were actually asking what the Patriots could get for Brady. Cassel had played that well and won over the fanbase that much. People up their are still pissed the Patriots only got a 2nd for Cassel and Vrabel. For Chiefs fans to not get that Cassel did indeed show what he could do with a good supporting cast and good coaching and that what he was thrown into this year with a rookie head coach, no OC, a shit line, and a shit supporting cast basically reflects the football ignorance of Chiefs fans.
Yes. Cassel had a bad year.
But yes there were reasons and he needs and deserves a second year. If he fails this year then by all means flame away on him.
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You, and the Patriot fan base don't get it.

I've acknowledged many times that Cassel has the talent to be a good game manager with surrounding talent, possibly a very good game manager.

You might compete for, and even win, a SB with a game manager (Trent Dilfer, Brad Johnson), but to consistently copmpete at that level, you need a playmaking franchise QB.

Now you might not agree with the opinion that Cassel is not franchise potential, but those of us who believe he is only game manager are pissed that Pioli hitched his wagon to a guy who appears to only have game manager potential.

Pioli Zombie · 01-16-2010, 12:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Frankie

And his obvious landing place IS.........

I tell you what, anyone who wouldn't want Moss here is NUTS. Moss,Bowe,Chambers,and Charles. Holy shit!!!
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milkman · 01-16-2010, 12:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Pioli Zombie

You are a ****ing moron.
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Finally found something we can agree on.

Hootie · 01-16-2010, 12:35 PM

I wouldn't want Moss here...

No thanks.

DBOSHO · 01-16-2010, 12:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Pioli Zombie

Yeah, Moss only caught the TD pass from Brady to put the Patriots ahead in the SB with 2 minutes to play before the defense coughed it up. You are blaming Moss for the Patriots not going 19-0 that year?

I also love all this revisionist history. After 2007 Brady was being called one of the top 2 of all time after his 50 TD passes. He get a knee injury and now he's not even on the top 5 or 10. Sure, today he may not be. But it doesn't take away where he was 2 years ago.
And I love how Kurt Warner is suddenly clutch with his 9 playoff wins and Brady isn't with his 14. Talk about "what have you done for me lately?"
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Dude its bradys fault pollard barreled into his knee. If he had the pocket awareness of say, a peyton manning, he wouldve dodged it and threw a td.

Its also his fault that the defense played at a high school level for most of the season.

milkman · 01-16-2010, 12:36 PM

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Originally Posted by ChiefsCountry

Elway not top 5? You are about as ****ing stupid as Hootie and CoMo.
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Concur.

Hootie · 01-16-2010, 12:36 PM

Even the biggest Patriots fan (Bill Simmons) will tell you Peyton Manning is the better QB...

and he's a huge Boston homer...

but milkman, pioli zombie and ChiefsCountry know differently!

**DeezNutz** · 01-16-2010, 12:37 PM

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Originally Posted by KC111110

All time great to me would mean top 3-5 of all time. I mean shit even Jim Kelly and Elway are in the hall, and they're nowhere near the top 5

I completely missed this.

Elway is in the conversation for best player of all-time, not just QB.

Wow.

Pioli Zombie · 01-16-2010, 12:38 PM

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Originally Posted by milkman

You, and the Patriot fan base don't get it.

I've acknowledged many times that Cassel has the talent to be a good game manager with surrounding talent, possibly a very good game manager.

You might compete for, and even win, a SB with a game manager (Trent Dilfer, Brad Johnson), but to consistently copmpete at that level, you need a playmaking franchise QB.

Now you might not agree with the opinion that Cassel is not franchise potential, but those of us who believe he is only game manager are pissed that Pioli hitched his wagon to a guy who appears to only have game manager potential.

Again What was the alternative??? Even Sanchez is at best a game manager.
And you just said game managers have won super bowls. Brady was in 2001. All I'm saying is give the guy an OC and a decent supporting cast and a ****ing chance if after this year the Chiefs aren't at least 8-8 and Cassel hasn't improved a ton then flame away. But to make these judgements that he and Pioli are failures already is assinine.
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Frankie · 01-16-2010, 12:38 PM

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Yea Brady could never compare to your boy Huard. Christ I really believe that you can't top your level of stupidity but time and time again you prove me wrong. Don't you have an electrical outlet in your house(oh sorry I mean hotel room you rent by the week) you could be licking?

OK off topic: Unless there's a long history between you and Hootie that I'm unaware of with him sucker punching you with insults why couldn't you just simply disagree with his point?

**DeezNutz** · 01-16-2010, 12:38 PM

****, Hootie, saying that Manning is better is a little different from saying that Brady is essentially a game manager.

milkman · 01-16-2010, 12:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Hootie

He's definitely HOF caliber...but he's a full tier below, at least, behind the all-time greats.

And the all-time greats are probably a full tier below Peyton Manning.

Hootie, if you were any more stupid, they'd put you on display in the Smithsonian.

Cause America is a great place where exceptional stupidity is rewarded.

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01-16-2010, 12:36 PM	#40
Hootie Banned Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Dallas, Texas Casino cash: $10004900	Even the biggest Patriots fan (Bill Simmons) will tell you Peyton Manning is the better QB... and he's a huge Boston homer... but milkman, pioli zombie and ChiefsCountry know differently!
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