KU ticket scandal

[Coach]

http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/basketb...utickets052610

The story is very long, so I'll just put in the first paragraph of the incident in question.

LAWRENCE, Kan. – A high-ranking member of the University of Kansas athletic department and the father of a prominent Jayhawks’ athlete allegedly made more than $800,000 in a ticket scalping operation that was orchestrated by college basketball power brokers David and Dana Pump, Yahoo! Sports has learned.

[teedubya]

Here's the official investigation report. First impressions, 17,000 MBB tix, 2000 FB tix, $1.03M face vaue: http://bit.ly/dyOtSA

[Titty Meat]

IS KU still o probabtion for the academics thing a few years ago?

[DJ's left nut]

The father of a relatively important player being involved in ticket scapling of tickets with over $1 million in face value is certainly not something I'd be taking lightly if I were a KU fan.

You guys are being a lot more cavalier about this than I would be.

Good for you, I guess.

[Tactical Funky]

This is a criminal investigation and likely won't lead to NCAA sanctions. Still, it's infuriating that this went on for so long and screwed over plenty of WEF donors. Jones and the Pump brothers are complete scum. And Roger Morningstar, WTF? It's not like you didn't already have a ton of money...

We'll have to see if the allegations made by Jones towards Morningstar are true, however.

[kstater]

Here's the Law firm KU hired to do an independent investigation:

Foulston Siefkin LLP

Partners:

Stan Andeel- Partner ku undergrad

James M. Armstrong – Partner ku Undergrad, ku JD

Gary L. Ayers – Partner-Partner ku undegrad, ku JD

Brooke Bennett Aziere – Partner ku JD

Mark A. Biberstein – Partner ku JD

Holly A. Dyer – Partner ku JD

Charles P. Efflandt – Partner ku JD

Jay F. Fowler – Partner ku JD

[Saulbadguy]

Originally Posted by kstater

Here's the Law firm KU hired to do an independent investigation:

Foulston Siefkin LLP

Partners:

Stan Andeel- Partner ku undergrad

James M. Armstrong – Partner ku Undergrad, ku JD

Gary L. Ayers – Partner-Partner ku undegrad, ku JD

Brooke Bennett Aziere – Partner ku JD

Mark A. Biberstein – Partner ku JD

Holly A. Dyer – Partner ku JD

Charles P. Efflandt – Partner ku JD

Jay F. Fowler – Partner ku JD

Sad. Just sad.

[Pants]

Originally Posted by Saulbadguy

Sad. Just sad.

"BKD did the forensic work, and the guy who heads up the forensic unit went to school back East. Also, the findings have been turned over to the feds so the implication of bias is missplaced, IMO."

BKD is a national accounting firm.

[ArrowheadHawk]

Originally Posted by Saulbadguy

Sad. Just sad.

What do you expect from a Kansas based firm? Its not like they can go to Law school at KState.

[Pants]

Originally Posted by ArrowheadHawk

What do you expect from a Kansas based firm? Its not like they can go to Law school at KState.

This is also true. Good point.

[Tactical Funky]

Originally Posted by Saulbadguy

Sad. Just sad.

No, not really. You think they'd risk their Bar certifications to "protect" their alma mater? That's just idiotic.

[KC_Connection]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

The father of a relatively important player being involved in ticket scapling of tickets with over $1 million in face value is certainly not something I'd be taking lightly if I were a KU fan.

You guys are being a lot more cavalier about this than I would be.

Good for you, I guess.

I don't understand. Do you want people to get all pissed about it? Should we feel ashamed? Worried, maybe? Because I honestly don't care about something that doesn't concern me, and I'm really not sure why you think I should.

Nobody should be under the illusion that the KU athletic department doesn't do things under the table. While some would like to think differently, you don't maintain yourself as a big-money, successful basketball program without paying a certain price to power brokers.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by KC_Connection

I don't understand. Do you want people to get all pissed about it? Should we feel ashamed? Worried, maybe? Because I honestly don't care, and I'm really not sure why you think I should.

Nobody should be under the illusion that the KU athletic department doesn't do things under the table. While some would like to think differently, you don't maintain yourself as a big-money, successful basketball program without paying a certain price.

Worried.

Not pissed or ashamed, it's not your fault.

But with OU about to get its ass kicked on this Tiny Gallon thing, I'd be kinda nervous about the NCAA getting its dander up right before taking a look at my program.

I still don't see a silver bullet tying this to the AD through Morningstar or anything, but holy hell, if those tickets were provided by KU to the father of a player (either directly or indirectly), one that allowed his scholarship to lapse for a season (IIRC) and then they were sold for profit, I'd be pretty petrified about how the NCAA would view that. The words 'disguised compensation' come to mind.

Especially if I had a national championship banner in the rafters from that general timeframe.

[KC_Connection]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

Worried.

Not pissed or ashamed, it's not your fault.

But with OU about to get its ass kicked on this Tiny Gallon thing, I'd be kinda nervous about the NCAA getting its dander up right before taking a look at my program.

I still don't see a silver bullet tying this to the AD through Morningstar or anything, but holy hell, if those tickets were provided by KU to the father of a player (either directly or indirectly), one that allowed his scholarship to lapse for a season (IIRC) and then they were sold for profit, I'd be pretty petrified about how the NCAA would view that. The words 'disguised compensation' come to mind.

Especially if I had a national championship banner in the rafters from that general timeframe.

I prefer to stick my head in the sand when things like this come about. I don't need to hear about what this school does to remain successful in the ultra-competitive NCAA.

But no, I'm not worried, nor do I think I should be. I'll be pissed if recruiting sanctions are thrown at them, but it doesn't look like anything of the sort will be happening in this particular case. If you don't think this stuff goes on at other top basketball schools, though, with the Pumps, you'd have to be pretty naive.

[KC_Connection]

Life's also too short to worry. It's baseball season. Basketball season starts in 5 months.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by KC_Connection

I prefer to stick my head in the sand when things like this come about. I don't need to hear about what this school does to remain successful in the ultra-competitive NCAA.

But no, I'm not worried, nor do I think I should be. I'll be pissed if recruiting sanctions are thrown at them, but it doesn't look like anything of the sort will be happening in this particular case. If you don't think this stuff goes on at other top basketball schools, though, with the Pumps, you'd have to be pretty naive.

I think it probably does.

But right now, KU is the one getting looked at and looked at over a period of time which I would certainly not want to forfiet wins from.

It'll probably be nothing and your method is probably more healthy than mine, but I'd keep an eye on how the OU investigation goes and if they drop the boom on the sooners, I'd start to get a little worried about them wanting to warn the neighbors as well.