Chiefs Teicher: Moeaki looks good at tight end, while O’Connell struggles - Page 3

**Tribal Warfare** · 06-13-2010, 01:28 AM

Chiefs notebook: Moeaki looks good at tight end, while O’Connell struggles
By ADAM TEICHER
The Kansas City Star

The Chiefs selected a tight end in each of the last two drafts — and those players appear headed in different directions.

This year’s rookie, third-round pick Tony Moeaki, is having a solid offseason. He has shown good hands, is able to get downfield well and had another big day in the afternoon practice at Saturday’s minicamp.

The Chiefs thought enough last year of Jake O’Connell that they traded back into the seventh round to get him. He was even on the field last year for the last few plays when they were futilely trying to rally during an early-season loss to Oakland.

Judging by his play in offseason practices and again on Saturday, O’Connell may have a difficult time making the roster. He had dropped several passes, including two in Saturday afternoon’s practice.

The problem was so bad early last week that after one O’Connell drop, offensive coordinator Charlie Weis yelled, “That’s getting old, Jake.”

Croyle has hot hand

QB Brodie Croyle was still withheld from throwing during the full-squad workout because of his sore throwing hand.

But during a morning seven-on-seven passing drill when the Chiefs use no linemen on either side of the ball, Croyle was sharp.

On a set of plays from inside the 20, Croyle made three straight crisp throws that resulted in touchdowns, one going to Dwayne Bowe, another to Tim Castille and the last to rookie Jeremy Horne.

Mixing up the lineups

The Chiefs will occasionally shake up the starting lineup at many positions on both sides of the ball, even at positions where they is no true competition for the job. It hasn’t been unusual to see backups working with the first unit, particularly on the offensive and defensive lines.

“Sometimes when you just stay the same and nobody changes, you’re going against (the same player) every single snap,” coach Todd Haley said. “They get to know each other and they get to know each other’s little tricks and moves and steps.

“Just by moving guys in and out, now you create different matchups across the board. That’s really all we’re trying to do.”

Sweet Daddy Hate · 06-13-2010, 06:13 PM

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Originally Posted by DeezNutz

If you continue screaming, you might hurt Brokaki's ears, thus sidelining him until November.

chiefzilla1501 · 06-13-2010, 06:57 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

This report isn't surprising. O'Connell struggled when active in 2009. We're barely six months removed from last season and not enough time has passed for him to have "turned it around". I'd bet he'll spend the 2010 season bouncing between active roster and the practice squad where hopefully, he'll be able to "figure it out".

I really like the Moeaki pick and I'm not surprised that he's doing well. His injuries weren't serious in college, just untimely. He may end up as the steal of the 2010 third round.

I think we're seeing a lot of the Charlie Weis influence. Since Weis left New England, the Pats valued the tight end but had no ****ing clue how to draft them. Moeaki, to me, seems like a Weis tight end. O'Connell seems like a McDaniels tight end. He can't block for shit and no way will that fly in Weis' offense. I think Moeaki will be a nice part of the offense if healthy, whereas I think O'Connell has a HUGE climb to get out of the doghouse.

**BossChief** · 06-13-2010, 07:05 PM

I wonder what team we thought would select him before our original 4th rounder, that made us pull the trigger to trade up in front of them, was.

Ugly Duck · 06-13-2010, 07:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Laz

Croyle and Moeacki ... both could be good if they stayed healthy...

...and if there are no D-linemen on the field

go bo · 06-13-2010, 07:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Ugly Duck

...and if there are no D-linemen on the field

aw c'mon, duck...

be a good sport and take the lb's off too...

'Hamas' Jenkins · 06-13-2010, 07:23 PM

Jake O'Connell wasn't even a good player at a mid major school. He didn't have projectable size or speed.

I asked some of the guys I knew who played against them what they thought and they told me, "I have no idea who that guy even is".

'Hamas' Jenkins · 06-13-2010, 07:25 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

This report isn't surprising. O'Connell struggled when active in 2009. We're barely six months removed from last season and not enough time has passed for him to have "turned it around". I'd bet he'll spend the 2010 season bouncing between active roster and the practice squad where hopefully, he'll be able to "figure it out".

I really like the Moeaki pick and I'm not surprised that he's doing well. His injuries weren't serious in college, just untimely. He may end up as the steal of the 2010 third round.

There were a shitload of really good players taken in the 3rd this year.

**tyler360** · 06-13-2010, 07:27 PM

This reminds me of Cottam.
History states that he cannot stay on the field.
Definition of insanity actually.

**DaneMcCloud** · 06-13-2010, 07:44 PM

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Originally Posted by tyler360

This reminds me of Cottam.
History states that he cannot stay on the field.
Definition of insanity actually.

Go ahead and list Moeaki's injuries. We'll be waiting.

In the meantime, compare Cottam's 21 catches in 4 years with Moeaki's production.

JFC, there are some dumb mother****ers that post here.

**DaneMcCloud** · 06-13-2010, 07:48 PM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

There were a shitload of really good players taken in the 3rd this year.

That may be true but since Moeaki was taken 29th, if he plays to the level that the Chiefs expect him to play, he may turn out to be the steal of the third round.

At this point, it's all speculation and probably not even worth discussing. But I am happy to hear that he's not choking on his own vomit like O'Connell.

CoMoChief · 06-13-2010, 07:49 PM

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Originally Posted by JD10367

What, they say?!? A 3rd-round pick looks pretty good, and a 7th-round pick doesn't?!? Wow, Adam Teicher! You get this month's "Captain ****ing Obvious" Award.

It's a 7th-round pick, fer crissake. How many 6ths and 7ths really work out? You can get a 6th or 7th draft pick by trading a team a box of jocks and some Gatorade. If and when they pan out (e.g. Tom Brady) it's more the exception than the norm.

7th rd pick or not I think the point he was trying to make was that Jake O'Connell is STILL having trouble catching the ball.......since that was a major issue for him last season.

'Hamas' Jenkins · 06-13-2010, 07:50 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Go ahead and list Moeaki's injuries. We'll be waiting.

In the meantime, compare Cottam's 21 catches in 4 years with Moeaki's production.

JFC, there are some dumb mother****ers that post here.

Cottam's probably not a world beater, but he's only played for 2 years.

**DaneMcCloud** · 06-13-2010, 07:53 PM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

Cottam's probably not a world beater, but he's only played for 2 years.

I actually believe that if Cottam can stay healthy, he absolutely belongs on an NFL roster.

But it's epic fail to compare his college production to Moeaki's, injuries and all.

jspchief · 06-13-2010, 07:54 PM

From this day forward, can the acronym "IHCSH" be substitued for Moeaki?

milkman · 06-13-2010, 07:56 PM

Let's see.

Broken wrist
Dislocated elbow

Broken foot
Hamstring

And a concussion

But hey, he's going to be durable in the NFL.

06-13-2010, 01:28 AM
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