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**Buck** · 09-25-2010, 12:11 AM

The vid will prob be taken down soon due to the MLB's whiny bitch asses though.

'Hamas' Jenkins · 09-25-2010, 03:10 AM

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Originally Posted by KC_Connection

Once again, the critical issue here is why would anybody expect there to be a difference between the 1998, 1999 and 2000 baseballs? What was the point of the study?

That wasn't the suspect time period.

It's quite clear: They fell within the accepted COR, weight and construction materials as determined by MLB long before the supposed spike according to a juiced ball.

'Hamas' Jenkins · 09-25-2010, 03:26 AM

Don't worry kids, KC Connection says that Rawlings, despite being in direct competition with other baseball manufacturers, would have them stick up for them because those manufacturers don't want to hurt their non-existent relationship with MLB. On top of that, MLB would come out looking horrible for this, since they are the ones who manufacture the balls, and in no way would they have plausible deniability even if they were covering this up.

On top of this, Rawlings is astute enough to change their construction process when a study is announced than then performed almost immediately. So astute, in fact, that they can go back and retroactively change the construction materialis. Yes, Rawlings, who can't make a golf club, has invented the time machine.

As if that weren't enough, the fact that offense spiked every other time there was expansion '69, '77, '94, and 1998 is something to be ignored, as are the changing physiques of the players in the late 1990s that also corresponded with a huge increase in homers, as did smaller parks and smaller strike zones.

If that weren't enough, once testing was in place, home run numbers suddenly dropped, but not to 1960s levels.

Of course, this is also a new allegation, as people never thought of bringing up the rabbit ball in 1977 or 1987.

I'm sure that every 10 years baseball and Rawlings find it necessary to completely change their manufacturing process and that no one, anywhere is aware of the fact that the company did this and that baseball signed off on it.

Oh, and for what it's worth, Jews flew the Wright Brothers' airplane into WTC 7.

KC_Connection · 09-25-2010, 03:49 AM

You let me know when you find those "numerous studies" that you promised us, OK? Preferably the next one won't be sponsored by MLB itself...that might help the integrity of your argument a bit (and without integrity, none of your assumptions mean anything).

Also, for somebody who believes in the need for evidence, you sure like attributing a lot of the power increase and subsequent decrease in baseball (4 years after testing began, I should note) to PED use. Nobody has ever come close to understanding what effects these drugs have, as they've never been comprehensively studied. And nobody, of course, knows whether the testing is even working. For you to pretend that you do is asinine.

**Buck** · 09-25-2010, 03:58 AM

The reason Rawlings' competitors didn't say anything is because they didn't want to be sued for libel for spreading mistruths.

You are pretty hard head KCC

**DaFace** · 09-25-2010, 08:29 AM

Buck's hate for the Rockies is amusing.

tmax63 · 09-25-2010, 08:44 AM

Looks to me more like a pitcher not liking a particular ball which happens, depending on who's pitching, a few times an inning or a few times a game. Sometimes the ball isn't rubbed up well enough or the seams don't stand up enough or whatever makes a pitcher think that he likes this ball better than that one.

cardken · 09-25-2010, 08:57 AM

amazing all the cheating that goes on, stealing signs, "juiced" balls, corked bats, steroids, and all this goes on with a blind eye turned towards it. Yet MLB has the gull to employ the word "integrity" in regards in the case of Pete Rose. Baseball is a joke, and can go away as far as I'm concerned. The League is rife with hypocrisy.

Frazod · 09-25-2010, 09:39 AM

A team from Denver cheat? Never!

teedubya · 09-25-2010, 10:07 AM

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Originally Posted by frazod

A team from Denver cheat? Never!

BOOM! Goes the dynamite!

teedubya · 09-25-2010, 10:08 AM

I like Lincecum... it's a shame he isn't on the Royals. ****ing Hochever.

ohiobronco2 · 09-25-2010, 12:34 PM

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Originally Posted by DaFace

Buck's hate for the Rockies is amusing.

It's very comical. Don't know if he is a Padres or a Giants fan, but if he is a Giants fan, he does know one of the greatest cheaters and a poster child for the steroid era is Barry Bonds. A former Giant of course.

**Buck** · 09-25-2010, 12:58 PM

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Originally Posted by ohiobronco2

It's very comical. Don't know if he is a Padres or a Giants fan, but if he is a Giants fan, he does know one of the greatest cheaters and a poster child for the steroid era is Barry Bonds. A former Giant of course.

Hi there. Shut the **** up dipshit.

**Buck** · 09-25-2010, 12:59 PM

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Originally Posted by DaFace

Buck's hate for the Rockies is amusing.

I hate them because they ****ing cheat. Just like you hate the Broncos because they continually cheat (Crisco? Dangerous chop blocks?)

**Rain Man** · 09-25-2010, 01:00 PM

No offense, but the girl in that video is quite unattractive.

**Buck** · 09-25-2010, 01:01 PM

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Originally Posted by tmax63

Looks to me more like a pitcher not liking a particular ball which happens, depending on who's pitching, a few times an inning or a few times a game. Sometimes the ball isn't rubbed up well enough or the seams don't stand up enough or whatever makes a pitcher think that he likes this ball better than that one.

No, that is not the case.

A ball that has intentionally been left out of the humidor will dry up, making the leather harder on the outside, which a pitcher can feel. That's clearly what happened here, not the mud on the ball.

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09-25-2010, 03:26 AM	#32
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