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Old 02-13-2011, 09:23 AM  
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Haley going to run conservative Offense
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Chiefs HC Todd Haley wants to run "a meat and potatoes offense" in 2011.
That's good news for Jamaal Charles' fantasy stock, and bad news for Matt Cassel's. Former OC Charlie Weis reportedly left because he wanted "to use a lot of shotgun and spread formations while jazzing up the offense," while Haley wanted to remain conservative. After it became public that Weis was leaving last season, Cassel posted a 0:5 TD-to-INT ratio in two games.
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Old 02-13-2011, 11:33 AM   #31
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Old 02-13-2011, 11:59 AM   #32
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Old 02-13-2011, 12:02 PM   #33
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Note to Todd....wait till after draft and Free agency to set up your plays.
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Old 02-13-2011, 12:04 PM   #34
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An overly risk-averse offense seems at odds with Haley's 4th down calls. Although Haley is still risk-averse according to the mathematical simulations (Romer's well-known paper), he is better than most coaches. I find it hard to believe Haley will play-not-to-lose.
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Old 02-13-2011, 12:09 PM   #35
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An overly risk-averse offense seems at odds with Haley's 4th down calls. Although Haley is still risk-averse according to the mathematical simulations (Romer's well-known paper), he is better than most coaches. I find it hard to believe Haley will play-not-to-lose.
towards the end Marty was the same way

he would be trying to prove he wasn't conservative so he would do reckless shit every so ofter but just couldn't bring himself to run a balanced offense.
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Old 02-13-2011, 12:31 PM   #36
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Weis wanted to run a lot of shotgun while jazzing up the offense?


Yeah, I'm just going to label this as speculative BS.
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Old 02-13-2011, 12:32 PM   #37
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matt cassels "conservative" offense will make the '99 rams look like pussys
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Old 02-13-2011, 12:32 PM   #38
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I've never seen ANY indication that is was Haley that wanted more passing. People around here just thought that because of the offense in Arizona.

When Haley pulled Cassel it was because he was being too aggressive when Haley just wanted 3 yrds and a cloud of dust. Imo.

Imo Weis is also gone because he wanted a wide open offense and Haley didn't. I think a lot of people are in for a rude awakening when we see martyball back in town under Haley/Muir.

people wonder why i was so pissed when Weis left...
There's no more basis for that than there is for the other idea. 'cause, you know, everything any of us says about Haley/Weis is something we're pulling out of thin air...

It just seems odd. Haley's an aggressive guy. Although maybe he's going full Parcells.

Not to mention that it's mid-February. I'd like to think Haley isn't building his offensive framework before he even knows who's going to be on the field.
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Old 02-13-2011, 12:45 PM   #39
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I don't want to get too over-conservative, but can anyone really deny that the Chiefs were at their best last season when they stuck to running the ball down the other team's throat? After all, weren't a lot of people accusing the Chiefs of getting too cute in the second half against the Ravens instead of abandoning the run?
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Old 02-13-2011, 12:46 PM   #40
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I'm going to wait until week 4 of the season when the offense has 400 total yards and Cassel has thrown 5 INT's and 1 TD before I even get concerned. That is if there is a season.
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Old 02-13-2011, 12:53 PM   #41
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I really find this difficult to believe, since Haley ran a lot of spread in Arizona, and Weis made his money as the Patriot OC by sticking to the run game even when they had marginal success.

The only thing that might lend this credibility is if that Haley believes that Cassel is the weak link and he believes that limiting Cassel and running the ball gives him the best chance to succeed.
Spot on.
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Weis's offense lead to Cassel's best year. The meat and potatoes approach led to a shit offense in 2009. It just doesn't make any sense to me.
Umm, you don't think there were other factors that led to 2009?

- Larry Johnson
- Mike Goff, Rudy Niswanger
- No Tony Gonzalez or Tony Moeaki at TE

But your right, none of that had any effect.
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Umm, you don't think there were other factors that led to 2009?

- Larry Johnson
- Mike Goff, Rudy Niswanger
- No Tony Gonzalez or Tony Moeaki at TE

But your right, none of that had any effect.

also forget the most glaring: Clancy Shittergast running the defense
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Umm, you don't think there were other factors that led to 2009?

- Larry Johnson
- Mike Goff, Rudy Niswanger
- No Tony Gonzalez or Tony Moeaki at TE

But your right, none of that had any effect.
-Jamaal Charles played a substancial amount down the stretch and Cassel's numbers got WORSE.

But you're right, let's pretend like 2009 was a throw-away year and not be able to analyze anything.

**** yourself.
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