Home Discord Chat
Go Back   ChiefsPlanet > Nzoner's Game Room
Register FAQDonate Members List Calendar

Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 09-29-2011, 12:32 PM  
OnTheWarpath15 OnTheWarpath15 is offline
MVP
 
OnTheWarpath15's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2005
Casino cash: $4811115
ESPN: Andrew Luck is worth the trouble

http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/page/...pick-nfl-draft


Quote:
The high school coach, precisely and patiently, recounted his favorite plays from the then-prodigy. The college coach, similarly practiced, did the same for his current phenom.

But when Jim Harbaugh was asked to name the Andrew Luck play that made him gasp out loud, he paused. Harbaugh, the head coach who moved from Stanford to the San Francisco 49ers in January, did not reference any of Luck's victory vectors, his spinning arcs of triumph.

"There's tons," Harbaugh said last week. "But I'll give you the play he made against Southern Cal last year, one of the most physical plays you'll see. You see everything the kid's got: the speed, the strength, the courage, the will."

Luck, of course, is a quarterback -- perhaps the most heralded signal-caller since another Cardinal, a guy named Elway -- but this was a defensive play:

USC safety Shareece Wright had just scooped up a Stanford fumble on his 45-yard line and appeared headed for a touchdown. Luck -- all 6-foot-4, 238 pounds of him -- burst into the frame and, head down, delivered a brutal helmet blow to Wright's chin. Wright, a mere 185 pounds, stopped so violently you feared for his internal organs, and the commentators pretty much lost their minds. Touchdown saved, the Cardinal would win 37-35 on a game-ending field goal.

It feels like fiction from a Matt Christopher book, or a storyline from the Gil Thorpe cartoon strip. Seriously, the guy's name is … Luck. Except this is real; nearly 3 million, perhaps even you, have viewed the clip on YouTube.

"He did the same thing a week earlier against Oregon," Harbaugh said. "Outruns the blockers, goes 55 yards, and makes the tackle on the 3-yard line. He is as good a competitor as you will ever see."

Usually when something seems too good to be true, it isn't. Luck, by all accounts and virtually every measure, is. He has the physical tools, the mental makeup, all the intangibles.

How special is Andrew Luck? When was the last time we knew in September who the No. 1 NFL draft choice was going to be the following April? Even the late, great Peyton Manning wasn't a sure pick over Ryan Leaf in the 1998 draft.

"He would have been the No. 1 pick this year, too," said one NFL team's director of college scouting. "That's two years he's been the slam dunk. I can't think of anyone else in recent years you could say that about."

Because NFL rules discourage teams from talking about underclassmen -- Luck is technically a junior -- the lead scout, like others in the league approached for this story, asked to remain anonymous. He said Luck was rated an 8.0 in the team's grading system, out of a possible 8.0. As such, he is pegged as a perennial Pro Bowl player and a likely Super Bowl quarterback.

John Elway, whose Cardinal records are under siege by Luck, is the Denver Broncos' executive vice president of football operations. He respectfully declined to discuss Luck, but before he took the job in January, he said this about the 2011 draft on his radio show: "I think Andrew Luck is the best football player in the draft, without a doubt."

David Shaw was an NFL assistant for nine years, but as Stanford's newly elevated head coach, he can say anything he wants about Luck.

"Being in the NFL, you try to poke holes in a kid's game," Shaw said. "You have a checklist of negatives: Does he turn the ball over? Does he throw with accuracy? How about his decision-making? Well, there are no negatives on Andrew's list.

"Is being the face of the franchise too big for him? The face of all college football? No. He's ready to handle whatever comes his way."

Fanatical following

Only a catastrophic injury will prevent Luck from becoming the top overall pick in the NFL draft. Or perhaps a nuclear-grade mutation that confers super powers (think Spider-Man) on USC offensive tackle Matt Kalil or North Carolina defensive end Quinton Coples, thought to be among the draft's next best prospects.

This rare sense of certainty has created an awkward situation among fans around the league. Would the prospect of a franchise quarterback under center for a dozen years be incentive enough to do the unthinkable -- root against their favorite team? Could the potential long-term gain move them to embrace defeat in the short term?

Yes. Based on fan forums there are already tens of thousands leaning that way and, as the regular season winds down, that number could reach the millions. It's already happening in Seattle, Denver, Kansas City, Minnesota, Jacksonville, Miami and, of all places, Indianapolis. Fans of the 0-3 Miami Dolphins have been out front on this one; @SuckForLuck is a Twitter handle "imploring the Miami Dolphins or the terrible NFL team of your choice to tank for the #1 overall pick."

That's how special Luck is.

The early inside track will go to the winner of Sunday's tilt between the hapless Minnesota Vikings and Kansas City Chiefs. The loser will be a horrific (but oddly heady) 0-4. Daniel Banyas, a rabid Vikings fan for 38 of his 43 years, is the administrator of the PurplePride.org's Facebook page. He will drive to Kansas City on Sunday and root hard for Minnesota to win.

"That's three games in," Banyas said. "But if they find themselves, maybe, 1-7, I might say, 'Geez, we can win the Luck derby.' I would accept that position one step ahead of our rivals getting that. I'd rather they be 3-13 and competitive in those games than 9-7 and drafting in those mediocre spots."

Brandon Spano is experiencing the Luck phenomenon in two cities. He grew up in Kansas City and has been a Chiefs fan for 24 of his 28 years. He was previously a columnist for the ChiefsCrowd.com website and now has a radio show on KCKK, 93.7 FM in Denver.

"With Jamaal Charles and Eric Berry out for the season [with torn ACLs], it kind of helps sway people toward the idea that it might be worth it to get Andrew Luck," Spano said. "I actually see a lot more of it in Denver, where [Kyle] Orton is extremely uninspiring. Chiefs fans have always drunk the Kool-Aid; they won't jump off the ship until they're mathematically eliminated.

"But if they finish in the bottom three, you know they'll be pulling for [general manager Scott] Pioli to make a blockbuster deal."

Quiz time: Who was the last non-franchise quarterback to win the Super Bowl? You have to go back nine years to Brad Johnson, who took the Buccaneers to the XXXVII title. Or Trent Dilfer and the Baltimore Ravens, who were NFL champions two years earlier. Otherwise, since then it has been: Tom Brady, Brady, Brady, Ben Roethlisberger, Peyton Manning, Eli Manning, Roethlisberger, Drew Brees and Aaron Rodgers. Six of them were the game's MVP.

Mike Shockman, an administrator and forum moderator for PurplePride.org, a 10,000-fan site, fondly remembers Joe Kapp, Fran Tarkenton and Tommy Kramer. He'd like to see Donovan McNabb benched and first-round draft choice Christian Ponder thrown into the fray.

"There's a lot of talk like that on the site," Shockman said. "They say it's getting ridiculous and figure the season's lost anyway. Andrew Luck seems to have all the potential to be a superstar. It might almost be worth going through a season of crap for the chance to get him."

A different kind of cat

Luck threw for 7,139 yards and ran for an additional 2,085 at Stratford High School in Houston. But after scouts from the big schools watched him practice, they asked head coach Eliot Allen about his arm strength.

"The thing that made Andrew so great was that he adapted to every receiver," Allen said. "He knew who he could really drill it into and, at the same time, take a little off to guys whose hands weren't as good. He'd throw a catchable ball to everyone -- that's how advanced he was."

Luck is the son of Oliver Luck, who played quarterback for the Houston Oilers for five years. Andrew was the co-valedictorian at Stratford and recruited by an NFL quarterback of 14 seasons, Jim Harbaugh, who arrived at Stanford in 2007, inheriting a 1-11 program. After sitting out the 2008 season, Luck had modest success as a redshirt freshman. Last year he was spectacular, completing more than 70 percent of his passes and throwing 32 touchdowns, breaking the school record (27) set by Steve Stenstrom and Elway.

He's 23-5 as a starter for No. 6-ranked Stanford and has the Cardinal 3-0 heading into Saturday's game against UCLA. Luck, the 2010 Heisman Trophy runner-up, is the leading candidate for this year's honor.

Shaw, who was Stanford's offensive coordinator under Harbaugh, learned right away that Luck was a different kind of cat.

"The first game he started as a redshirt freshman was at Washington State," Shaw remembered. "He dropped back and no one was open. He took off scrambling up the sideline and, with the safety coming, I figured he'd go out of bounds. But he didn't. He ran the guy over and got four more yards.

"He's so competitive, he never even thought about stepping out. He was our second-leading rusher that year. He's an even better athlete than people give him credit for."

In athleticism and arm strength, the deep out is the toughest ball for a quarterback. Elway made a nice living throwing it in Denver.

"Andrew Luck throws the deep out," said the anonymous director of college scouting. "He makes every throw you could want. And he's great on touch passes and screens, where you want some finesse. Throw in the toughness, the poise and smarts, and you have the total package.

"Most guys, you hear all these ludicrous superlatives and they turn out to be media creations, the Brady Quinns of the world. Not this guy."

In his report on Luck written last year, the scout wrote, "Forget everything else. Here are three plays that say who he is."

He listed a scramble against California when a defensive back was obliterated trying to tackle him, a goal-line run against UCLA when a defender was similarly de-cleated -- and the time he wrecked USC's Wright. Not one was a passing play.

"You can stop the tape right there," the scout said. "That's all you need to see."

The conspiracy theories

Stanford's Shaw feels sorry for the struggling NFL teams who are confronted almost daily with questions about Luck.

"Two games into a 16-game season, and everybody goes crazy," he said last week. "You're the head coach of the Chiefs and the running back gets hurt. You can still go on a run, maybe 8-2, and make the playoffs. But everybody wants to talk about Andrew Luck."

More than a dozen websites regularly track the Suck for Luck sweepstakes. As the season progresses, scrutiny will be sharpened for those teams still in the race. When does "rebuilding" cross over into the gray area of tanking?

Conspiracy theorists want to know:

• Why did the Seattle Seahawks seem to downgrade at the quarterback position, installing Tarvaris Jackson as starter behind a young, inexperienced offensive line that includes two rookies and a second-year player?

• If the Indianapolis Colts truly were concerned about Manning's health -- and their ability to win games in 2011 -- why did they wait until 18 days before the opener to pull 38-year-old Kerry Collins out of retirement?

• Are the Vikings really surprised that 34-year-old Donovan McNabb -- who has thrown 16 touchdowns and 16 interceptions in his past 16 games -- is 0-3?

• How was it that the Cincinnati Bengals didn't get something for disgruntled Carson Palmer during the offseason? Why did the Jaguars hand the keys to Luke McCown, who has the league's worst passer rating at 30.6? What on earth is happening in Kansas City?

Harbaugh himself was on the radar before the season began. Folks wondered if he would somehow scheme to land his former protégé. But Alex Smith is holding his own, and the 49ers lead the anemic NFC West with a 2-1 record -- the same number of victories as the rest of the division.

"Are you asking me if people are going to play for the No. 1 position?" Harbaugh said, speaking deliberately. "It's a heinous accusation to accuse somebody of that, to say a team wouldn't try to win. I feel comfortable speaking for all coaches on this.

"They're going to play to win … at all times."

Said Stanford's Shaw, "Everybody knows it. That's why it becomes sexy. Here comes the NFL franchise quarterback. Now it's just a lot of talk. What's going to get interesting is when we get to Week 13, Week 17.

"If you're one of those last four teams, the questions will be coming. Are you throwing games to get [draft] position? Are you doing everything you can to win? Those are awful questions, but they're going to be asked."

You can toss out the 1-2 Carolina Panthers and the 0-3 St. Louis Rams, because they already have the past two No. 1 overall picks, quarterbacks Cam Newton and Sam Bradford. After this week's Vikings-Chiefs game, there is a Week 5 matchup that could feature two 0-4 teams: Chiefs at Colts.

Imagine if the Colts, in the absence of the injured Manning, contrived to secure the services of back-to-back franchise quarterbacks. And then we have Chad Henne and the Dolphins at 0-3. Would the No. 1 overall pick be enough to convince former Pittsburgh Steelers head coach Bill Cowher to make his new home in South Florida?

As good as Andrew Luck is, his coaches think he can get better.

"Yes," Harbaugh said, "Andrew would tell you the same thing. You're either continuing to get better, or you're getting worse. He's the guy who understands that. He has the humility and the work ethic to make it happen."

Said Allen, his high school coach in Houston: "Actually, I think he'll get much better. He was never surrounded by truly talented players here. Stanford increased the level around him, but he's never been in a situation with big-time receivers to throw to. I'm biased, but I think he'll excel at the next level."

The only mystery that remains: Which NFL team will Luck take to the Super Bowl? That question should make a number of dodgy games in December a lot more interesting.

Greg Garber is a senior writer for ESPN.com.
Posts: 60,273
OnTheWarpath15 is obviously part of the inner Circle.OnTheWarpath15 is obviously part of the inner Circle.OnTheWarpath15 is obviously part of the inner Circle.OnTheWarpath15 is obviously part of the inner Circle.OnTheWarpath15 is obviously part of the inner Circle.OnTheWarpath15 is obviously part of the inner Circle.OnTheWarpath15 is obviously part of the inner Circle.OnTheWarpath15 is obviously part of the inner Circle.OnTheWarpath15 is obviously part of the inner Circle.OnTheWarpath15 is obviously part of the inner Circle.OnTheWarpath15 is obviously part of the inner Circle.
    Reply With Quote
Old 09-29-2011, 01:11 PM   #31
Brock Brock is offline
Say hello to my little friend
 
Brock's Avatar
 

Join Date: Aug 2000
Location: Larryville
Casino cash: $9598422
Also, if Luck is drafted somewhere off the radar like KC, the pressure is not nearly as much of a factor.
Posts: 47,314
Brock is obviously part of the inner Circle.Brock is obviously part of the inner Circle.Brock is obviously part of the inner Circle.Brock is obviously part of the inner Circle.Brock is obviously part of the inner Circle.Brock is obviously part of the inner Circle.Brock is obviously part of the inner Circle.Brock is obviously part of the inner Circle.Brock is obviously part of the inner Circle.Brock is obviously part of the inner Circle.Brock is obviously part of the inner Circle.
    Reply With Quote
Old 09-29-2011, 01:12 PM   #32
Brock Brock is offline
Say hello to my little friend
 
Brock's Avatar
 

Join Date: Aug 2000
Location: Larryville
Casino cash: $9598422
Quote:
Originally Posted by vailpass View Post
Cam Newton is too dumb to feel pressure.
In any case, he's handled it a lot better than your Weeping Jesus.
Posts: 47,314
Brock is obviously part of the inner Circle.Brock is obviously part of the inner Circle.Brock is obviously part of the inner Circle.Brock is obviously part of the inner Circle.Brock is obviously part of the inner Circle.Brock is obviously part of the inner Circle.Brock is obviously part of the inner Circle.Brock is obviously part of the inner Circle.Brock is obviously part of the inner Circle.Brock is obviously part of the inner Circle.Brock is obviously part of the inner Circle.
    Reply With Quote
Old 09-29-2011, 01:22 PM   #33
Hammock Parties Hammock Parties is offline
I'll be back.
 
Hammock Parties's Avatar
 

Join Date: Nov 2002
Casino cash: $4440478
Quote:
Originally Posted by Brock View Post
In any case, he's handled it a lot better than your Weeping Jesus.
__________________
Chiefs game films
Posts: 278,652
Hammock Parties is obviously part of the inner Circle.Hammock Parties is obviously part of the inner Circle.Hammock Parties is obviously part of the inner Circle.Hammock Parties is obviously part of the inner Circle.Hammock Parties is obviously part of the inner Circle.Hammock Parties is obviously part of the inner Circle.Hammock Parties is obviously part of the inner Circle.Hammock Parties is obviously part of the inner Circle.Hammock Parties is obviously part of the inner Circle.Hammock Parties is obviously part of the inner Circle.Hammock Parties is obviously part of the inner Circle.
    Reply With Quote
Old 09-29-2011, 01:27 PM   #34
vailpass vailpass is offline
Psycho Bag Of Squanch
 
vailpass's Avatar
 

Join Date: Sep 2001
Casino cash: $9594244
Quote:
Originally Posted by Brock View Post
In any case, he's handled it a lot better than your Weeping Jesus.
Tebow?
__________________
“Education is a weapon whose effect depends on who holds it in his hands and at whom it is aimed.”
Joseph Stalin
Posts: 69,591
vailpass is obviously part of the inner Circle.vailpass is obviously part of the inner Circle.vailpass is obviously part of the inner Circle.vailpass is obviously part of the inner Circle.vailpass is obviously part of the inner Circle.vailpass is obviously part of the inner Circle.vailpass is obviously part of the inner Circle.vailpass is obviously part of the inner Circle.vailpass is obviously part of the inner Circle.vailpass is obviously part of the inner Circle.vailpass is obviously part of the inner Circle.
    Reply With Quote
Old 09-29-2011, 01:30 PM   #35
Brock Brock is offline
Say hello to my little friend
 
Brock's Avatar
 

Join Date: Aug 2000
Location: Larryville
Casino cash: $9598422
Quote:
Originally Posted by vailpass View Post
Tebow?
Bust?
Posts: 47,314
Brock is obviously part of the inner Circle.Brock is obviously part of the inner Circle.Brock is obviously part of the inner Circle.Brock is obviously part of the inner Circle.Brock is obviously part of the inner Circle.Brock is obviously part of the inner Circle.Brock is obviously part of the inner Circle.Brock is obviously part of the inner Circle.Brock is obviously part of the inner Circle.Brock is obviously part of the inner Circle.Brock is obviously part of the inner Circle.
    Reply With Quote
Old 09-29-2011, 01:39 PM   #36
MagicHef MagicHef is offline
The Seated Villain
 
MagicHef's Avatar
 

Join Date: Apr 2007
Location: Seattle
Casino cash: $2250247
I was unaware that Peyton Manning had died.
__________________
With a sack in 61% of his games, SB MVP Von Miller is the most consistent pass rusher in NFL history.
Posts: 10,567
MagicHef wants to die in a aids tree fire.MagicHef wants to die in a aids tree fire.MagicHef wants to die in a aids tree fire.MagicHef wants to die in a aids tree fire.MagicHef wants to die in a aids tree fire.MagicHef wants to die in a aids tree fire.MagicHef wants to die in a aids tree fire.MagicHef wants to die in a aids tree fire.MagicHef wants to die in a aids tree fire.MagicHef wants to die in a aids tree fire.MagicHef wants to die in a aids tree fire.
    Reply With Quote
Old 09-29-2011, 01:44 PM   #37
allen_kcCard allen_kcCard is offline
Veteran
 

Join Date: Sep 2004
Location: Kansas City
Casino cash: $4353183
If we get Luck, we will need to put some yellow jerseys on some of the defenders.
Posts: 2,768
allen_kcCard would the whole thing.allen_kcCard would the whole thing.allen_kcCard would the whole thing.allen_kcCard would the whole thing.allen_kcCard would the whole thing.allen_kcCard would the whole thing.allen_kcCard would the whole thing.allen_kcCard would the whole thing.allen_kcCard would the whole thing.allen_kcCard would the whole thing.allen_kcCard would the whole thing.
    Reply With Quote
Old 09-29-2011, 01:52 PM   #38
Rain Man Rain Man is offline
NFL's #1 Ermines Fan
 
Rain Man's Avatar
 

Join Date: Jul 2001
Location: My house
Casino cash: $3048491
VARSITY
When Andrew Luck arrives in the league, Goodell will add back the bump and run, revert to the pre-1970s passing rules, and give defenses a 12th player, just to keep Luck's team under 100 points a game.
__________________
I'm putting random letters here as a celebration of free speech: xigrakgrah misorojeq rkemeseit.
Posts: 141,662
Rain Man is obviously part of the inner Circle.Rain Man is obviously part of the inner Circle.Rain Man is obviously part of the inner Circle.Rain Man is obviously part of the inner Circle.Rain Man is obviously part of the inner Circle.Rain Man is obviously part of the inner Circle.Rain Man is obviously part of the inner Circle.Rain Man is obviously part of the inner Circle.Rain Man is obviously part of the inner Circle.Rain Man is obviously part of the inner Circle.Rain Man is obviously part of the inner Circle.
    Reply With Quote
Old 09-29-2011, 01:55 PM   #39
Mr. Laz Mr. Laz is offline
Don't Tease Me
 
Mr. Laz's Avatar
 

Join Date: Dec 2000
Location: KS
Casino cash: $11047037
it would be worth trading the whole draft for him just to get the assholes around here to shut the **** up about it.
__________________
Posts: 95,626
Mr. Laz is obviously part of the inner Circle.Mr. Laz is obviously part of the inner Circle.Mr. Laz is obviously part of the inner Circle.Mr. Laz is obviously part of the inner Circle.Mr. Laz is obviously part of the inner Circle.Mr. Laz is obviously part of the inner Circle.Mr. Laz is obviously part of the inner Circle.Mr. Laz is obviously part of the inner Circle.Mr. Laz is obviously part of the inner Circle.Mr. Laz is obviously part of the inner Circle.Mr. Laz is obviously part of the inner Circle.
    Reply With Quote
Old 09-29-2011, 01:59 PM   #40
suzzer99 suzzer99 is offline
In Search of a Life
 
suzzer99's Avatar
 

Join Date: Jan 2010
Location: L.A.
Casino cash: $2694284
Doesn't Flowers injury seem a little odd to anyone? Just running along then drops, first it's his knee, then ankle. How do you not know if you hurt your knee or have a high ankle sprain?
Posts: 27,305
suzzer99 is obviously part of the inner Circle.suzzer99 is obviously part of the inner Circle.suzzer99 is obviously part of the inner Circle.suzzer99 is obviously part of the inner Circle.suzzer99 is obviously part of the inner Circle.suzzer99 is obviously part of the inner Circle.suzzer99 is obviously part of the inner Circle.suzzer99 is obviously part of the inner Circle.suzzer99 is obviously part of the inner Circle.suzzer99 is obviously part of the inner Circle.suzzer99 is obviously part of the inner Circle.
    Reply With Quote
Old 09-29-2011, 02:01 PM   #41
Rain Man Rain Man is offline
NFL's #1 Ermines Fan
 
Rain Man's Avatar
 

Join Date: Jul 2001
Location: My house
Casino cash: $3048491
VARSITY
Andrew Luck's touchdowns will be worth eight points - 6 for the score and 2 for the artistic beauty.
__________________
I'm putting random letters here as a celebration of free speech: xigrakgrah misorojeq rkemeseit.
Posts: 141,662
Rain Man is obviously part of the inner Circle.Rain Man is obviously part of the inner Circle.Rain Man is obviously part of the inner Circle.Rain Man is obviously part of the inner Circle.Rain Man is obviously part of the inner Circle.Rain Man is obviously part of the inner Circle.Rain Man is obviously part of the inner Circle.Rain Man is obviously part of the inner Circle.Rain Man is obviously part of the inner Circle.Rain Man is obviously part of the inner Circle.Rain Man is obviously part of the inner Circle.
    Reply With Quote
Old 09-29-2011, 02:02 PM   #42
Mr. Laz Mr. Laz is offline
Don't Tease Me
 
Mr. Laz's Avatar
 

Join Date: Dec 2000
Location: KS
Casino cash: $11047037
Quote:
Originally Posted by suzzer99 View Post
Doesn't Flowers injury seem a little odd to anyone? Just running along then drops, first it's his knee, then ankle. How do you not know if you hurt your knee or have a high ankle sprain?
Flowers has been playing crappy all year, heard something about a hamstring or leg injury earlier. We don't even know if the current injury is the same as the last injury.

__________________
Posts: 95,626
Mr. Laz is obviously part of the inner Circle.Mr. Laz is obviously part of the inner Circle.Mr. Laz is obviously part of the inner Circle.Mr. Laz is obviously part of the inner Circle.Mr. Laz is obviously part of the inner Circle.Mr. Laz is obviously part of the inner Circle.Mr. Laz is obviously part of the inner Circle.Mr. Laz is obviously part of the inner Circle.Mr. Laz is obviously part of the inner Circle.Mr. Laz is obviously part of the inner Circle.Mr. Laz is obviously part of the inner Circle.
    Reply With Quote
Old 09-29-2011, 02:09 PM   #43
The Bad Guy The Bad Guy is offline
Scott Pioli
 
The Bad Guy's Avatar
 

Join Date: Jan 2001
Location: The Copacobana
Casino cash: $9373645
Quote:
Originally Posted by doomy3 View Post
I haven't seen anyone say anything remotely close to this.
Then you're not paying attention.

There's a handful of people on this board who think you don't have to draft a QB in round 1 because you can get someone in the later rounds.

They will point to Brees and Brady as the prime examples.
__________________
Posts: 23,212
The Bad Guy has an IQ even higher than Frankie's.The Bad Guy has an IQ even higher than Frankie's.The Bad Guy has an IQ even higher than Frankie's.The Bad Guy has an IQ even higher than Frankie's.The Bad Guy has an IQ even higher than Frankie's.The Bad Guy has an IQ even higher than Frankie's.The Bad Guy has an IQ even higher than Frankie's.The Bad Guy has an IQ even higher than Frankie's.The Bad Guy has an IQ even higher than Frankie's.The Bad Guy has an IQ even higher than Frankie's.The Bad Guy has an IQ even higher than Frankie's.
    Reply With Quote
Old 09-29-2011, 02:14 PM   #44
Reerun_KC Reerun_KC is offline
Rock Chalk Jayhawks! KU!!!
 
Reerun_KC's Avatar
 

Join Date: Aug 2005
Casino cash: $8301160
Quote:
Originally Posted by The Bad Guy View Post
Then you're not paying attention.

There's a handful of people on this board who think you don't have to draft a QB in round 1 because you can get someone in the later rounds.

They will point to Brees and Brady as the prime examples.
Here is the thing. I am not going to kill myself like so many here will if the Chiefs dont have the first pick and cant draft luck..

There are a couple more QB's in this years draft that would fill that franchise QB role just nicely... So if we didnt get Luck at 1 and took Foles at 4, I wouldnt hang myself over it..

But actually I would take the latter scenerio just to clean up the trash on this message board...
Posts: 934
Reerun_KC is obviously part of the inner Circle.Reerun_KC is obviously part of the inner Circle.Reerun_KC is obviously part of the inner Circle.Reerun_KC is obviously part of the inner Circle.Reerun_KC is obviously part of the inner Circle.Reerun_KC is obviously part of the inner Circle.Reerun_KC is obviously part of the inner Circle.Reerun_KC is obviously part of the inner Circle.Reerun_KC is obviously part of the inner Circle.Reerun_KC is obviously part of the inner Circle.Reerun_KC is obviously part of the inner Circle.
    Reply With Quote
Old 09-29-2011, 02:19 PM   #45
Frosty Frosty is offline
Go Beavers!
 
Frosty's Avatar
 

Join Date: Jan 2001
Location: Warshington
Casino cash: $5488243
Quote:
Originally Posted by suzzer99 View Post
Doesn't Flowers injury seem a little odd to anyone? Just running along then drops, first it's his knee, then ankle. How do you not know if you hurt your knee or have a high ankle sprain?
When it first happened, I thought he was just making fun of the fake injuries that the Giants pulled and all of the talk about it. It looked like someone just shot him or something.
Posts: 14,501
Frosty 's phone was tapped by Scott Pioli.Frosty 's phone was tapped by Scott Pioli.Frosty 's phone was tapped by Scott Pioli.Frosty 's phone was tapped by Scott Pioli.Frosty 's phone was tapped by Scott Pioli.Frosty 's phone was tapped by Scott Pioli.Frosty 's phone was tapped by Scott Pioli.Frosty 's phone was tapped by Scott Pioli.Frosty 's phone was tapped by Scott Pioli.Frosty 's phone was tapped by Scott Pioli.Frosty 's phone was tapped by Scott Pioli.
    Reply With Quote
Reply


Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is On

Forum Jump




All times are GMT -6. The time now is 04:10 AM.


This is a test for a client's site.
Fort Worth Texas Process Servers
Covering Arlington, Fort Worth, Grand Prairie and surrounding communities.
Tarrant County, Texas and Johnson County, Texas.
Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.8
Copyright ©2000 - 2024, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.