Chiefs what's with all the Orton isn't the answer talk? - Page 3

wutamess · 12-20-2011, 08:30 AM

OK he has the same stats avg as Cassle. BS! My dad and I argue about the Cheifs as if we're Pioli and Haley. I told him 3 weeeks ago, "dude. We finally have our QB." He looked at me like I was crazy and borderline ignored me.

I tried explaining to him we finaly have a qb that can make all of the throws. All he could muster up was he wasn't shit in Denve and he wasn Shit in Chicago. I told him he had good stats lat yar and turned Brandn Lloyd into NFLs #1 wr last year. He wasn't buying it but my point was valid.

I further went to explain that now Orton had something he's NEVER had as far as weapons. Now he has 2 BIG WRs as well as a WR that will stretch the field. Add JC and Moeki coming back next year and I think we can be a top 5 offense with Orton.

I just don't understand why people think he's a fluke ad try to compare him to Cassle when he's HEAD AND SHOULDERS above Cassel in EVERY category. I'll go so far as to say we don't need to draft qb this year if we sign Orton... I'm als thinking with Berry coming back and a O tackle and another stud LB to complement DJ, we're poised for a SUPERBOWL RUN!

Garcia Bronco · 12-20-2011, 09:19 AM

Really...you guys don't want to kick the tires some more? You're ready to put a ring on his finger? Wow.

KC_Lee · 12-20-2011, 09:21 AM

Considering what we had before Orton (Huard, Croyle Cassel) it's easy to get excited.

I agree with giving him a 2 year deal and drafting a QB in the first round.

Chiefnj2 · 12-20-2011, 09:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Omega

The only thing I will say in Orton's defense:

He never had a running game AND a defense in Denver.

The Broncos were 18th in rushing and 7th in defense his first year.

His second year they were 26th in rushing and 32nd in defense.

In KC he will most likely have a top 10 running game and top 15 defense next season.

2008 Bears had a running game and an average D.

wutamess · 12-20-2011, 09:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Omega

There's a reason Broncos fans hated him.

Pressure mostly turns him into a puddle of goo.

Could it be because they got rid of his favorite target... Tebow is really tearing it up in the passing game.

Hammock Parties · 12-20-2011, 09:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Chiefnj2

2008 Bears had a running game and an average D.

They were 24th in rushing.

Shox · 12-20-2011, 09:23 AM

Giving away draft picks to move up when you still have holes to fill for a QB who might be Ryan Leaf, David Carr, etc etc is stupid.

If we had the Oline fixed, a nose tackle, ILB, another pass rusher and a RB to complement Charles. Sure give all our picks to get one of the top 2 QBs....but we don't.

Sign Orton to a 2-3 year deal and keep looking for the next Tom Brady later in draft. Orton is still young and seems to still be improving. He will make us a playoff caliber team at the worst and who knows he might be a Gannon or Simms type QB and get to a superbowl.

Pasta Little Brioni · 12-20-2011, 09:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Chiefnj2

He's very inconsistent.

As far as having great weapons in KC, people need to get a grip. Bowe can be invisible just as many times as he makes a great catch. Breaston is a good slot receiver, and Baldwin is still a complete unknown.

I'm suuuuure that has nothing to do with the QB's KC has had behind center

**Bwana** · 12-20-2011, 09:25 AM

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Originally Posted by KC_Lee

Considering what we had before Orton (Huard, Croyle Cassel) it's easy to get excited.

I agree with giving him a 2 year deal and drafting a QB in the first round.

Ok, thinking about what we have had for the post Green years, makes me want to curb stomp the Easter Bunny. What a load of trash! No wonder Orton looks so good.

Chiefnj2 · 12-20-2011, 09:26 AM

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Originally Posted by PGM

I'm suuuuure that has nothing to do with the QB's KC has had behind center

Great receivers can help elevate a QB. Bowe hasn't had a TD in 9 games. Gonzo had crap throwing to him for many games and was still able to consistently beat double and triple teams.

wutamess · 12-20-2011, 09:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Chiefnj2

2008 Bears had a running game and an average D.

When has he EVER had a true #1 WR? Lloyd aint a #1 but Orton made him to be one. This guy is a great fit for this team.

Pasta Little Brioni · 12-20-2011, 09:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Shox

Giving away draft picks to move up when you still have holes to fill for a QB who might be Ryan Leaf, David Carr, etc etc is stupid.

If we had the Oline fixed, a nose tackle, ILB, another pass rusher and a RB to complement Charles. Sure give all our picks to get one of the top 2 QBs....but we don't.Sign Orton to a 2-3 year deal and keep looking for the next Tom Brady later in draft. Orton is still young and seems to still be improving. He will make us a playoff caliber team at the worst and who knows he might be a Gannon or Simms type QB and get to a superbowl.

This line of thinking is absolutely reeruned. EVERY TEAM IN THE NFL IS FLAWED. Every damn one. If it was up to you, no team would ever take a QB, because it's impossible to assemble the perfect team.

Chiefnj2 · 12-20-2011, 09:28 AM

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Originally Posted by wutamess

When has he EVER had a true #1 WR? Lloyd aint a #1 but Orton made him to be one. This guy is a great fit for this team.

Without looking it up myself, did he have Brandon Marshall?

wutamess · 12-20-2011, 09:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Shox

Giving away draft picks to move up when you still have holes to fill for a QB who might be Ryan Leaf, David Carr, etc etc is stupid.

If we had the Oline fixed, a nose tackle, ILB, another pass rusher and a RB to complement Charles. Sure give all our picks to get one of the top 2 QBs....but we don't.

Sign Orton to a 2-3 year deal and keep looking for the next Tom Brady later in draft. Orton is still young and seems to still be improving. He will make us a playoff caliber team at the worst and who knows he might be a Gannon or Simms type QB and get to a superbowl.

THIS!

Molitoth · 12-20-2011, 09:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Chiefnj2

As far as having great weapons in KC, people need to get a grip. Bowe can be invisible just as many times as he makes a great catch. Breaston is a good slot receiver, and Baldwin is still a complete unknown.

Exactly!

Bowe drops a lot of crucial balls.
Breaston has been pretty good.
Baldwin is still unknown. I've seen him "Almost" make some circus catches, but almost doesn't get you anywhere.

patteeu · 12-20-2011, 09:31 AM

I like Orton better than Cassel, but if the Chiefs sign Orton they're probably going to be sinking enough money into the deal to make it hard not to start Orton for at least a couple of years (just like with Cassel two years ago when he signed his K). That makes drafting an early round QB prospect less likely, IMO.

So I'm OK with signing Orton, but I'd rather see them draft a 1st round QB and keep Cassel to start until the new guy (or Stanzi) is ready.

12-20-2011, 08:30 AM
wutamess MVP Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Lee's Summit Casino cash: $4711637	what's with all the Orton isn't the answer talk? OK he has the same stats avg as Cassle. BS! My dad and I argue about the Cheifs as if we're Pioli and Haley. I told him 3 weeeks ago, "dude. We finally have our QB." He looked at me like I was crazy and borderline ignored me. I tried explaining to him we finaly have a qb that can make all of the throws. All he could muster up was he wasn't shit in Denve and he wasn Shit in Chicago. I told him he had good stats lat yar and turned Brandn Lloyd into NFLs #1 wr last year. He wasn't buying it but my point was valid. I further went to explain that now Orton had something he's NEVER had as far as weapons. Now he has 2 BIG WRs as well as a WR that will stretch the field. Add JC and Moeki coming back next year and I think we can be a top 5 offense with Orton. I just don't understand why people think he's a fluke ad try to compare him to Cassle when he's HEAD AND SHOULDERS above Cassel in EVERY category. I'll go so far as to say we don't need to draft qb this year if we sign Orton... I'm als thinking with Berry coming back and a O tackle and another stud LB to complement DJ, we're poised for a SUPERBOWL RUN!
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KC_Lee You're CARICATURES, ALL of you Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Kansas City, MO Casino cash: $-1889040	Considering what we had before Orton (Huard, Croyle Cassel) it's easy to get excited. I agree with giving him a 2 year deal and drafting a QB in the first round.
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12-20-2011, 09:23 AM	#36
Shox Starter Join Date: Mar 2005 Casino cash: $10005765	Giving away draft picks to move up when you still have holes to fill for a QB who might be Ryan Leaf, David Carr, etc etc is stupid. If we had the Oline fixed, a nose tackle, ILB, another pass rusher and a RB to complement Charles. Sure give all our picks to get one of the top 2 QBs....but we don't. Sign Orton to a 2-3 year deal and keep looking for the next Tom Brady later in draft. Orton is still young and seems to still be improving. He will make us a playoff caliber team at the worst and who knows he might be a Gannon or Simms type QB and get to a superbowl.
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12-20-2011, 09:31 AM	#45
patteeu The 23rd Pillar Join Date: Sep 2002 Casino cash: $10019237	I like Orton better than Cassel, but if the Chiefs sign Orton they're probably going to be sinking enough money into the deal to make it hard not to start Orton for at least a couple of years (just like with Cassel two years ago when he signed his K). That makes drafting an early round QB prospect less likely, IMO. So I'm OK with signing Orton, but I'd rather see them draft a 1st round QB and keep Cassel to start until the new guy (or Stanzi) is ready. __________________ “Boy, you all want power. God, I hope you never get it.” - Lindsay Graham
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