Pioli on Carr....

[Consistent1]

Brandon Carr - DB - Chiefs

Chiefs GM Scott Pioli insists the signing of Stanford Routt does not affect the team's feelings for free agent Brandon Carr.
"As a matter of fact," said Pioli, "Romeo [Crennel] and I both reached out to Brandon yesterday as this was unfolding and talked to him. ... He knows, and he's known before, he's someone we want to keep here, and he's still someone we want to keep a Chief." That may be true, but it's now easier said than done if Carr draws an attractive offer from another team -- as is expected to be the case.
Source: ArrowheadPride.com
Feb 21 - 4:11 PM

[Iowanian]

I'd guess they DO want to sign Carr to a reasonable contract.

Signing Routt gives them at least an option if they can't get him back, and if he does, it gives a very big, physical secondary. If Carr would sign, I wouldn't be surprised to see Routt have some look at safety, or be put on TE's in coverage schemes.

I like Carr, I'd like to see him back in KC, but he's not the difference in this team competing for Championships....

[patteeu]

Originally Posted by Iowanian

I'd guess they DO want to sign Carr to a reasonable contract.

Signing Routt gives them at least an option if they can't get him back, and if he does, it gives a very big, physical secondary. If Carr would sign, I wouldn't be surprised to see Routt have some look at safety, or be put on TE's in coverage schemes.

I like Carr, I'd like to see him back in KC, but he's not the difference in this team competing for Championships....

I'm with you.

[Dylan]

I can't imagine the Chiefs not resigning Carr -- Money should not be a concern when it comes to signing a young top tier shutdown CB. Besides, the Chiefs have plenty of money this season.

The Cowboys will scoop him up in a second. They're in desperate need of CBs. j/m/o

I would love him on our team.

[KCrockaholic]

Originally Posted by Dylan

I can't imagine the Chiefs not resigning Carr -- Money should not be a concern when it comes to signing a young top tier shutdown CB. Besides, the Chiefs have plenty of money this season.

The Cowboys will scoop him up in a second. They're in desperate need of CBs. j/m/o

I would love him on our team.

Carr would fit well in Minnesota or Dallas.

But it's only acceptable if we use that money we saved to go after a couple other free agents. We can't wrap up 20% of our seasonal cap room in 3 players of the same position. Routt IS a slight downgrade, but we can overcome that when we have guys like Eric Berry and Lewis on the backend.

[CaliforniaChief]

Originally Posted by jspchief

My hope is that they can sign Bowe outright and tag Carr. At the very least it gives us another year to see what we have between Carr and Routt

This is my thought. Tagging Carr in a CB-thin market gives us a bargaining chip where we can pit teams like Minny and Dallas against each other...and then we have more control over where he goes. I'll take Routt + a high draft pick over an overpaid Carr and nothing else.

But I would guess that we're more than likely going to tag Bowe and let Carr walk, and that would suck.

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by CaliforniaChief

This is my thought. Tagging Carr in a CB-thin market gives us a bargaining chip where we can pit teams like Minny and Dallas against each other...and then we have more control over where he goes. I'll take Routt + a high draft pick over an overpaid Carr and nothing else.

But I would guess that we're more than likely going to tag Bowe and let Carr walk, and that would suck.

Interesting thought. Probably a long-shot, but I tend to agree.

[trndobrd]

I believe Carr will be resigned or tagged. In addition to keeping candy wrappers picked up, Pioli has done a good job of keeping existing talent on the team.

Carr and Flowers are great and all, but who have we had behind them? Arenas? The addition of Routt gives us legitimate depth at CB and more flexibility in nickel and dime situations.

[Dylan]

Originally Posted by KCrockaholic

Carr would fit well in Minnesota or Dallas.

But it's only acceptable if we use that money we saved to go after a couple other free agents. We can't wrap up 20% of our seasonal cap room in 3 players of the same position. Routt IS a slight downgrade, but we can overcome that when we have guys like Eric Berry and Lewis on the backend.

Thanks, KCrockaholic.

And maybe can you also -- can you provide a little more detail -- if the Chiefs run mostly a traditional three cornerback personnel?

With so many injuries in our secondary, seems the Giants were running a lot of packages in more of a safety-esque (3-man) role. Then again, maybe it was due to so many injuries in the backfield.

TIA

[KCrockaholic]

Originally Posted by Dylan

Thanks, KCrockaholic.

And maybe can you also -- can you provide a little more detail -- if the Chiefs run mostly a traditional three cornerback personnel?

With so many injuries in our secondary, seems the Giants were running a lot of packages in more of a safety-esque (3-man) role. Then again, maybe it was due to so many injuries in the backfield.

TIA

I mean we typically only use a nickel when the offense brings in an extra receiver.

Our nickel is Javier Arenas, and he's actually a solid player. He's getting better, and IMO is a fine guy to have in on 3rd down.

Brandon Carr just no longer has a place in this defense unfortunately. If we could find a way to make it happen, then great, but like I said, that would mean wrapping up a lot of our cap room on 3 guys of the same position.

It's ok to slightly downgrade IMO if it means we can now go after a true Nose, or depth at safety and ILB.

I don't see the Chiefs being one of those teams like what Philly tried to do last year and just stockpile a ton of talent at the same position. Right now the fan base isn't really happy about this move, BUT if they can make good things come out of it, then it might be worth it in the end.

[aturnis]

Isn't Carr from Flint, Michigan? Maybe Detroit's need for CB's and likely willingness to pay for one is really very tempting to him. He's familiar with Gunther. Close to family. Maybe Pioli sensed that, and Routt is his insurance policy.

[Dylan]

Originally Posted by trndobrd

I believe Carr will be resigned or tagged. In addition to keeping candy wrappers picked up, Pioli has done a good job of keeping existing talent on the team.

Carr and Flowers are great and all, but who have we had behind them? Arenas? The addition of Routt gives us legitimate depth at CB and more flexibility in nickel and dime situations.

Can you just talk a little bit further about the "candy wrappers?"

First, just to help us clarify, if you would, I've been noticing "candy wrappers" used in many posts. And then, would you tell me exactly what it means?

Thanks,

[Wilson8]

Pioli says Chiefs hope to re-sign Carr, Bowe


The Chiefs’ acquisition of cornerback Stanford Routt on Monday decreased significantly the likelihood that the Chiefs will use the franchise tag on cornerback Brandon Carr. It also increased significantly the likelihood that the franchise tag will be used on receiver Dwayne Bowe.

On Tuesday, General Manager Scott Pioli told WHB radio in Kansas City that the Chiefs will try to work out a deal with both players.

“The signing of Stanford Routt does not impact where we’re at with Brandon Carr,” Pioli said. “As a matter of fact, Romeo [Crennel] and I both reached out to Brandon yesterday as this was unfolding and talked to him. I spoke personally with Brandon, and without getting into the details of what that conversation was, he knows and he’s known before that he’s someone that we want to try and keep here and he’s still someone we want to keep a Chief. This signing doesn’t eliminate the feelings that we have for Brandon and how we want to have him here. He knows that. He wants to be here. We want him here. And we’re going to try to work. If both sides find a deal that makes sense for one another, we’d love to have Brandon back.”

Pioli echoed those same sentiments as to Bowe. “We’re hopeful to re-sign Dwayne,” Pioli said. “One way or another, we would love to have Dwayne back here as a Chief. And just like Brandon, we would like to find a way to keep the good players that we have. The important part is that you have to come to an agreement. Dwayne is a player — again without getting into the specifics — but we’ve had conversations with Dwayne’s representatives as well as Brandon’s, and truthfully, a number of other players of ours that are free agents or are about to become free agents in a couple of weeks. We’ve been trying to get players signed and we are going to continue to do that right up until whatever that date is and then when free agency starts, we are going to continue to try to sign some of those players or players from other teams.”

Some would say the Chiefs have more than enough cap room to sign both guys. But Pioli explained that the $63 million number recently publicized doesn’t reflect incentives and escalators from 2011 that hit the cap in 2012. He said that roughly $25 million will be consumed by such payments, which puts the real cap bulge in the neighborhood of $38 million.

Regardless, the Chiefs have $38 million to play with. Unlike, say, the Steelers, who are still scrambling to eliminate $25 million in cap excesses for 2012.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com...ign-carr-bowe/

[O.city]

Well this is new information.

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by Dylan

Can you just talk a little bit further about the "candy wrappers?"

First, just to help us clarify, if you would, I've been noticing "candy wrappers" used in many posts. And then, would you tell me exactly what it means?

Thanks,

Talking about Pioli grilling out his employees when they found a candy or gum wrapper in one of the stairwells. That was in the Arrowhead Anxiety story.

[Dylan]

Originally Posted by KCrockaholic

I mean we typically only use a nickel when the offense brings in an extra receiver.

Our nickel is Javier Arenas, and he's actually a solid player. He's getting better, and IMO is a fine guy to have in on 3rd down.

Brandon Carr just no longer has a place in this defense unfortunately. If we could find a way to make it happen, then great, but like I said, that would mean wrapping up a lot of our cap room on 3 guys of the same position.

It's ok to slightly downgrade IMO if it means we can now go after a true Nose, or depth at safety and ILB.

I don't see the Chiefs being one of those teams like what Philly tried to do last year and just stockpile a ton of talent at the same position. Right now the fan base isn't really happy about this move, BUT if they can make good things come out of it, then it might be worth it in the end.

Thanks, KCrockaholic - for answering my question.

As for the Eagles -- They have to upgrade at linebacker and defensive tackle - I noticed their defense played soft this season especially in the redzone. And often grew weaker as the game progressed. Traditionally, they're known as a physical, intimidating defense.

Eagles' fans of course, would tell you, get rid of Vick. In Reid's offense, the quarterback passes 40+ times per game. Vick when not hurt, is inaccurate and very un-clutch. And, he's not a fourth quarter quarterback, coming back from behind.

Just my opinion.