How Getz, Butler & Yost cost us our first chance in decades

[RockChalk]

Originally Posted by petegz28

When you know a Sac Fly is the least you have to get done, you don't go to the plate looking to pull the ball on a rope. We all know Billy's best swing is when he takes the ball o the opposite field. He has been trying to pull the ball all ****ing year which is why he is nothing more than a stat-padder for SS's at the moment.

He actually tried to do this with his first swing, IIRC. Fly ball down the line in right that ended up foul.

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by RockChalk

He actually tried to do this with his first swing, IIRC. Fly ball down the line in right that ended up foul.

Yes, he did. They he went away from it. He has done it all year.

[RockChalk]

Originally Posted by petegz28

Yes, he did. They he went away from it. He has done it all year.

Stop criticizing our sweet Billy boy though. He's great. He was an all-star last year. He's not a problem. He does nothing wrong. All he does is crush the ball. He was born to hit. I have a country breakfast tattoo. Would you just look at his batting average?!?!?! /RoyalsApologists

I've stated I don't hate him...but he is a completely one-dimensional player whose only tool has regressed into hit-for-average, rather than driving the ball.

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by RockChalk

Stop criticizing our sweet Billy boy though. He's great. He was an all-star last year. He's not a problem. He does nothing wrong. All he does is crush the ball. He was born to hit. I have a country breakfast tattoo. Would you just look at his batting average?!?!?! /RoyalsApologists

I've stated I don't hate him...but he is a completely one-dimensional player whose only tool has regressed into hit-for-average, rather than driving the ball.

[Three7s]

People calling me a "Butler Lover".

I think some people are getting me confused with Deez just because of one post, but whatever.

I'm not denying that he's had a bad year. He's hit into way too many DPs, and hasn't driven the ball with as much authority in year's past. That being said, he's one of the only proven threats in our lineup, and that's why his walk numbers are sky high. I'm not gonna explain why Butler isn't the reason the season is over, because everyone has contributed to this team's failure, but like some have said, the problems Butler has given this team are much lower than several others.

Butler hitting a line drive or soft liner doesn't make much of a difference to me. I'll admit, I wasn't watching the game, but what I'd like to know is, why doesn't Gordon get any blame. He's been terribad for over two months. What about the complete lack of power Perez has? There should be far more blame to go around to some players that people continually praise.

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by Three7s

People calling me a "Butler Lover".

I think some people are getting me confused with Deez just because of one post, but whatever.

I'm not denying that he's had a bad year. He's hit into way too many DPs, and hasn't driven the ball with as much authority in year's past. That being said, he's one of the only proven threats in our lineup, and that's why his walk numbers are sky high. I'm not gonna explain why Butler isn't the reason the season is over, because everyone has contributed to this team's failure, but like some have said, the problems Butler has given this team are much lower than several others.

Butler hitting a line drive or soft liner doesn't make much of a difference to me. I'll admit, I wasn't watching the game, but what I'd like to know is, why doesn't Gordon get any blame. He's been terribad for over two months. What about the complete lack of power Perez has? There should be far more blame to go around to some players that people continually praise.

I think we have addressed Gordon and how his defense helps make up for his lack of hitting. That being said, if Butler was at the plate with 2 outs I wouldn't blame him. A 2 out hit is not a favorable odds position. However, 1 out with bases loaded and you don't get it out of the infield and you're "the man"......weak sauce. That was the moment, that was the time, that was the place/

[RockChalk]

Originally Posted by Three7s

but what I'd like to know is, why doesn't Gordon get any blame. He's been terribad for over two months.

I think people are coming around to this. I'm not sure what it is.

But it could be that he's not a cleanup hitter. I may be wrong, but I feel like his whole AB approach has changed since being moved down there. He looks more and more like pre-2011 Gordon with his approach lately.

[BlackHelicopters]

Butler may be part of the problem, but he is far down the list of this teams "problems"

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by theelusiveeightrop

Butler may be part of the problem, but he is far down the list of this teams "problems"

Actually he is closer to the top than a lot want to admit. He can't field, he can't run and this year he can't hit that good. WTF is he not a problem?

[Tiger's Fan]

Butler isn't clutch, and a waste as a one dimensional player. At least Gordon can make up for not hitting with his glove.

The problem is that shy of Holland, the pen is Broxton like shaky. The collapse that started with Miami is all on the bullpen. I would dump Crow immediately. Pure bust for his draft spot, and he has ZERO passion for the game.

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by Tiger's Bitch

Butler isn't clutch, and a waste as a one dimensional player. At least Gordon can make up for not hitting with his glove.

The problem is that shy of Holland, the pen is Broxton like shaky. The collapse that started with Miami is all on the bullpen. I would dump Crow immediately. Pure bust for his draft spot, and he has ZERO passion for the game.

This is an excellent point. While we really, really need Gordon to be hitting better, he has saved countless runs with his arm and glove. Same goes for Escobar. These guys save runs on defense game in and game out so they ultimately provide some good to the bottom line even if it isn't in the ideal way.

When Butler doesn't hit at least a double it is pretty much a wasted AB.

[duncan_idaho]

Including Butler in this list is an insult to logic and reality.

He has an .824 OPS with runners on and an .861 OPS with runners in scoring position. To suggest he isn't "clutch" is not based in fact.

He has not been as good this year as hoped, but he HAS started hitting better in the second half, when the team really needed him to, and he hasn't really been the issue all season.

Ned Yost and Dayton Moore bear the most blame for acquiring and continuing to pay/play shitty players like Chris Getz, Jamey Carroll (who is playing too much now that they have Bonifacio), etc.

From a player standpoint, the early struggles of Moustakas and recent struggles of Alex Gordon are the biggest issues (beyond the general shittiness of Chris Getz).

The hatred Royals fans have for Billy Butler is stupid. No way around it (and it's not unique to this forum). He's not a superstar, but he's a plus offensive player and one of the best at his position.

[RockChalk]

Originally Posted by duncan_idaho

Ned Yost and Dayton Moore bear the most blame for acquiring and continuing to pay/play shitty players like Chris Getz, Jamey Carroll (who is playing too much now that they have Bonifacio), etc.

I don't think we have much choice with Cain out, but I agree with you. If Cain were healthy (yeah, a joke I know), then I really think they'd be rolling with this lineup, at least defensively:

Gordon
Cain
Lough/Maxwell (platoon)
Moose
Esky
Bonifacio
Hoz

[tk13]

The Butler hatred just makes my head explode. He needs to hit for more power but if I read one more post about how a DH hurts the team because he can't run or field... just no.
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[mr. tegu]

Originally Posted by tk13

The Butler hatred just makes my head explode. He needs to hit for more power but if I read one more post about how a DH hurts the team because he can't run or field... just no.
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A lot of people don't realize the types of players that are DHing for other teams.