Chiefs Shields not elected to Hall of Fame - Page 3

Eleazar · 02-01-2014, 06:47 PM

http://www.kcchiefs.com/news/article...a-0932e7362447

The team's former guard honored to be on the HOF ballot

The Pro Football Hall of Fame Selection Committee announced Saturday that the following group will be enshrined as part of the Hall of Fame’s Class of 2014 in Canton, Ohio on Aug. 2.

SENIOR NOMINEES

Ray Guy - Punter - 14 seasons, 207 games; Oakland/Los Angeles Raiders (1973-1986)

Claude Humphrey - DE - 14 seasons, 171 games; Atlanta Falcons (1968-1978) (1975 inj. res.) Philadelphia Eagles (1979-1981)

FIRST-YEAR ELIGIBLES

Derrick Brooks - LB -Tampa Bay Buccaneers (1995-2008) 14 seasons, 224 games

Walter Jones - OL - Seattle Seahawks (1997-2008) 12 seasons, 180 games

MODERN-ERA PLAYERS

Andre Reed - WR - 16 seasons, 234 games; Buffalo Bills (1985-1999) Washington Redskins (2000)

Michael Strahan - DE - 15 seasons, 216 games; New York Giants (1993-2007)

Aeneas Williams - CB/Safety - 14 seasons, 211 games; Phoenix/Arizona Cardinals (1991-2000) St. Louis Rams (2001-04)

Former Chiefs guard Will Shields says despite not being part of the Pro Football Hall of Fame's 2014 Class, he's grateful to be mentioned among the greats of the game.

"It’s a great honor to be on that list," Shields said. "Me not getting in doesn’t tarnish anything that's been done over the 14 years of my career. It's still a positive thing. It's okay. There’s nothing I can do to change it. There are a lot of great guys that have played and had great careers on the field and some of them had great careers off the field. All I can say is I put my best foot forward and did everything I possibly could, on the field and off the field. My goal was to be the best teammate, the best player to always end up in the top-tier of what I did and then everything else falls into place after that. That’s sort of the way I looked at my career. Every day I stepped on the field, I wanted to be the best player I could be, on that day, and then after that, whatever happens, happens; I can’t control anything beyond that. I can control my little space, helping out my tackle or helping out my center, or those kind of things, and beyond that, I really can’t control the other pieces. I’ve done what I can do and I have to let the chips fall where they may."

Here's to hoping the chips fall in favor of Will, next season, for the Class of 2015.

**alpha_omega** · 02-01-2014, 07:42 PM

If he doesn't get in because there are better players, then fine. But he for sure should be ahead of some of these guys (homerism aside).

Big Poppa Payne · 02-01-2014, 07:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Deberg_1990

Hall of Famer Dwayne Bowe in 2025!

But.... Only if he finishes his career with a different team.

ThaVirus · 02-01-2014, 07:44 PM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

What a complete ****ing joke.

Andre Reed? Strahan? ****ing Derrick Brooks? Aeneas Williams?

Apparently the HOF has now become a repository for the Hall of the Very Good without including the great.

You don't think Derrick Brooks is deserving? He was, admittedly, a bit before the time that I legitimately watched football every Sunday, but I remember him being very, very good.

Deberg_1990 · 02-01-2014, 07:45 PM

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Originally Posted by alpha_omega

If he doesn't get in because there are better players, then fine. But he for sure should be ahead of some of these guys (homerism aside).

Guard is a really tough position to quantify. I mean, what stats are there to support your decision ?

ThaVirus · 02-01-2014, 07:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Deberg_1990

Guard is a really tough position to quantify. I mean, what stats are there to support your decision ?

You could say the same for LTs as well.

As someone mentioned, he had an amazing string of consecutive starts, Pro Bowl appearances, and All-Pro nominations.

'Hamas' Jenkins · 02-01-2014, 07:48 PM

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Originally Posted by ThaVirus

You don't think Derrick Brooks is deserving? He was, admittedly, a bit before the time that I legitimately watched football every Sunday, but I remember him being very, very good.

I'm fine with Brooks, but he was not a better football player than Will Shields.

If Will Shields is better than every other player who made it in, save maybe Walter Jones.

Eleazar · 02-01-2014, 07:50 PM

Brooks is borderline, IMO. But I think the standard for the HOF should be a lot higher than it is.

mcaj22 · 02-01-2014, 07:50 PM

is the difference maker really winning? playoffs? super bowls? That's the only thing that seperates guys like Derrick Brooks and Aeneas Williams from Will Shields

they were carried to a Super Bowl and Shields was not.

**alpha_omega** · 02-01-2014, 07:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Deberg_1990

Guard is a really tough position to quantify. I mean, what stats are there to support your decision ?

Agreed, I hear what you are sayin'. Guess I would point to 223 consecutive starts. Not sure where that is all-time but its gotta be up there.

chiefzilla1501 · 02-01-2014, 07:51 PM

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Originally Posted by vailpass

Yes but if any punter was to make it in it should be Guy. Roby a distant second...

I disagree. There are plenty of punters better than Guy. He is the classic example of stat padding.

tk13 · 02-01-2014, 07:51 PM

Brooks was a huge part of the Bucs defensive turnaround... played in several big playoff games and won a Super Bowl. That's the difference.

It's kind of weird he got in right away and DT didn't... not sure that's fair. But they were complete opposites as players so it's hard to compare. DT was all rush, no coverage... Brooks was no rush, all world in coverage.

Big Poppa Payne · 02-01-2014, 07:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Deberg_1990

Guard is a really tough position to quantify. I mean, what stats are there to support your decision ?

12 NFL pro-bowls, Walter Payton NFL player of the year and NFL all decade team from the 90's should be a good enough measuring stick.

Will Shields got ****ed.

Eleazar · 02-01-2014, 07:52 PM

Williams was even declining when he went to St. Louis and moved to safety, so he doesn't even have that many high-level seasons.

Was anyone ever afraid of playing him? Did you think when we'd play Arizona "Well, they might suck but they've got Aeneas Williams". I don't get it.

Brock · 02-01-2014, 08:02 PM

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Originally Posted by vailpass

Yes but if any punter was to make it in it should be Guy. Roby a distant second...

Bull ****ing shit. Ray Guy wasn't any better than Jerrel Wilson, and probably wasn't even as good.

Deberg_1990 · 02-01-2014, 08:07 PM

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Originally Posted by mcaj22

is the difference maker really winning? playoffs? super bowls? That's the only thing that seperates guys like Derrick Brooks and Aeneas Williams from Will Shields

they were carried to a Super Bowl and Shields was not.

It's mostly winning Super Bowls. Very good players with Super Bowl hardware will have an advantage over very good players without.

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Eleazar Beyond the Rapids Join Date: May 2003 Location: Langley, VA Casino cash: $-370000	Shields not elected to Hall of Fame http://www.kcchiefs.com/news/article...a-0932e7362447 The team's former guard honored to be on the HOF ballot The Pro Football Hall of Fame Selection Committee announced Saturday that the following group will be enshrined as part of the Hall of Fame’s Class of 2014 in Canton, Ohio on Aug. 2. SENIOR NOMINEES Ray Guy - Punter - 14 seasons, 207 games; Oakland/Los Angeles Raiders (1973-1986) Claude Humphrey - DE - 14 seasons, 171 games; Atlanta Falcons (1968-1978) (1975 inj. res.) Philadelphia Eagles (1979-1981) FIRST-YEAR ELIGIBLES Derrick Brooks - LB -Tampa Bay Buccaneers (1995-2008) 14 seasons, 224 games Walter Jones - OL - Seattle Seahawks (1997-2008) 12 seasons, 180 games MODERN-ERA PLAYERS Andre Reed - WR - 16 seasons, 234 games; Buffalo Bills (1985-1999) Washington Redskins (2000) Michael Strahan - DE - 15 seasons, 216 games; New York Giants (1993-2007) Aeneas Williams - CB/Safety - 14 seasons, 211 games; Phoenix/Arizona Cardinals (1991-2000) St. Louis Rams (2001-04) Former Chiefs guard Will Shields says despite not being part of the Pro Football Hall of Fame's 2014 Class, he's grateful to be mentioned among the greats of the game. "It’s a great honor to be on that list," Shields said. "Me not getting in doesn’t tarnish anything that's been done over the 14 years of my career. It's still a positive thing. It's okay. There’s nothing I can do to change it. There are a lot of great guys that have played and had great careers on the field and some of them had great careers off the field. All I can say is I put my best foot forward and did everything I possibly could, on the field and off the field. My goal was to be the best teammate, the best player to always end up in the top-tier of what I did and then everything else falls into place after that. That’s sort of the way I looked at my career. Every day I stepped on the field, I wanted to be the best player I could be, on that day, and then after that, whatever happens, happens; I can’t control anything beyond that. I can control my little space, helping out my tackle or helping out my center, or those kind of things, and beyond that, I really can’t control the other pieces. I’ve done what I can do and I have to let the chips fall where they may." Here's to hoping the chips fall in favor of Will, next season, for the Class of 2015.
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mcaj22 MVP Join Date: Feb 2010 Casino cash: $10014454	is the difference maker really winning? playoffs? super bowls? That's the only thing that seperates guys like Derrick Brooks and Aeneas Williams from Will Shields they were carried to a Super Bowl and Shields was not.
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tk13 ... Join Date: Nov 2001 Casino cash: $-1907500	Brooks was a huge part of the Bucs defensive turnaround... played in several big playoff games and won a Super Bowl. That's the difference. It's kind of weird he got in right away and DT didn't... not sure that's fair. But they were complete opposites as players so it's hard to compare. DT was all rush, no coverage... Brooks was no rush, all world in coverage.
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Eleazar Beyond the Rapids Join Date: May 2003 Location: Langley, VA Casino cash: $-370000	Williams was even declining when he went to St. Louis and moved to safety, so he doesn't even have that many high-level seasons. Was anyone ever afraid of playing him? Did you think when we'd play Arizona "Well, they might suck but they've got Aeneas Williams". I don't get it.
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