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**Rain Man** · 09-09-2014, 06:17 PM

Honestly, I'm trying to get amped up over this Ray Rice deal, but it doesn't seem bigger than a lot of other stuff they've had to deal with over the years, and some other stuff seems bigger. Off the top of my head, I can think of...

The concussion issue and guys like Mike Webster and Joe Phillips
O.J. Simpson
Rae Carruth
Jovan Belcher (though that got scant attention the more I think about it)
You had the Hornung/Karras gambling suspensions back in the 1960s
The defections of players to the WFL in the 1970s
The AFL/NFL wars
The USFL tussles

I'm sure I'm missing a bunch.

It seems to me that the O.J. thing dwarfed everything else in scale, though of course most of that deflected off of the NFL shield since he'd been out of the league for so long. So what's the biggest impact that the NFL shield has taken?

cosmo20002 · 09-09-2014, 06:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Hootie 2.0

and?

Pretty sure a man hitting his spouse in his own home is no better than doing it in an elevator with a camera.

I mean, it kind of leaves no doubt having it on camera, actually witnessing it. Not much room for he said/she said.
Even a conviction leaves a little room for doubt or excuses. A video doesn't.

**notorious** · 09-09-2014, 07:00 PM

Concussions are going to slowly erode the NFL

Hootie · 09-09-2014, 07:03 PM

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Originally Posted by cosmo20002

I mean, it kind of leaves no doubt having it on camera, actually witnessing it. Not much room for he said/she said.
Even a conviction leaves a little room for doubt or excuses. A video doesn't.

Hey, I get it man. It was heinous. But I just fail to see a different between domestic assault caught on tape and domestic assault done in privacy.

**LoneWolf** · 09-09-2014, 07:04 PM

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It's because owners are supposedly held to a higher standard. Not saying it's right, just saying that that's the way it is.

Owners are in a position of power. They make decisions that effect people's lives both professionally and financially.

Riley Cooper is an average WR in the NFL. His racism doesn't have the far reaching effect that the owner of a billion dollar business does.

**Rain Man** · 09-09-2014, 07:04 PM

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Originally Posted by notorious

Concussions are going to slowly erode the NFL

I'm actually thinking that, too. Not just concussions, but general health stuff. The players now make a ton of money and many aren't good at managing it. We'll start seeing arthritis lawsuits and spinal cord lawsuits and "didn't stop me from taking steroids" lawsuits because the ex-players will want to maintain a lifestyle. Eventually that'll kill the sport and it'll go back to the sandlots.

cosmo20002 · 09-09-2014, 07:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Hootie 2.0

Hey, I get it man. It was heinous. But I just fail to see a different between domestic assault caught on tape and domestic assault done in privacy.

I suppose the act itself is the same. But it makes it a lot easier to bring the hammer down for punishment if the thing is on video.

**LoneWolf** · 09-09-2014, 07:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Hootie 2.0

Hey, I get it man. It was heinous. But I just fail to see a different between domestic assault caught on tape and domestic assault done in privacy.

There isn't a difference. The reactions are what's different. Ray Rice would still be a piece of shit if there were no cameras. There would just be less people that know it.

**TimBone** · 09-09-2014, 07:06 PM

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Originally Posted by LoneWolf

Owners are in a position of power. They make decisions that effect people's lives both professionally and financially.

Riley Cooper is an average WR in the NFL. His racism doesn't have the far reaching effect that the owner of a billion dollar business does.

That's what I meant...you just said it better.

Hootie · 09-09-2014, 07:10 PM

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Originally Posted by LoneWolf

There isn't a difference. The reactions are what's different. Ray Rice would still be a piece of shit if there were no cameras. There would just be less people that know it.

I guess I just don't see how the NFL can indefinitely suspend him for something they already suspended him for.

Oh actually I can.

The NFL did it to save face. There was no reason that they needed to suspend him indefinitely after he was cut. No team would have been dumb enough to even entertain the idea of signing him this year.

It was a ploy for the NFL to be able to say, "see, we do care about this!!!!"

And I hope Rice sues them over it. And I hope he wins.

thabear04 · 09-09-2014, 07:11 PM

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This wouldn't be such a big deal except that Josh Gordon got suspended for a year while rice got suspended for peanuts and you have to think the NFL knew about it. Goodell is a ****ing clown. It's almost like he spins a wheel to determine punishment.

When can we get Goodell fired.

chiefzilla1501 · 09-09-2014, 07:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Hootie 2.0

Hey, I get it man. It was heinous. But I just fail to see a different between domestic assault caught on tape and domestic assault done in privacy.

It's spelled hyenas

**LoneWolf** · 09-09-2014, 07:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Hootie 2.0

I guess I just don't see how the NFL can indefinitely suspend him for something they already suspended him for.

Oh actually I can.

The NFL did it to save face. There was no reason that they needed to suspend him indefinitely after he was cut. No team would have been dumb enough to even entertain the idea of signing him this year.

It was a ploy for the NFL to be able to say, "see, we do care about this!!!!"

And I hope Rice sues them over it. And I hope he wins.

This has been handled horribly by the NFL, but I don't hope Ray Rice sues the NFL and wins. That would allow him to profit from a situation where he beat his wife. Just because the NFL has handled this worse than Mohammed Ali carrying nitro glycerine, that doesn't mean Ray should profit.

Mennonite · 09-09-2014, 07:25 PM

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Originally Posted by notorious

Concussions are going to slowly erode the NFL

I agree. The NFL should spend some of their billions on researching (and publicizing) concussions/brain trauma in soccer.

lcarus · 09-09-2014, 07:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Hootie 2.0

Since the NFL altered Ray Rice's suspension I think every NFL player who has ever been convicted of domestic assault needs to be suspended indefinitely, though.

And every player in the future who is convicted of it. The players better pick their women right and treat them well. They could destroy a players career easily.

Mennonite · 09-09-2014, 07:55 PM

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The players better pick their women right

It's hard to find one that can take a punch.

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