Chiefs Mellinger: In the Jets, there's a lesson for Chiefs fan about taking the safe route - Page 3

Deberg_1990 · 10-30-2014, 07:49 PM

http://www.kansascity.com/sports/spt...le3481340.html

In the structure of the modern NFL, the most important decision a franchise can make is who plays quarterback. Two years ago, two franchises walked away from this decision on two very different paths.

The Chiefs played it safe, were largely criticized for it, then made the playoffs and have a chance to do it again this season. The Jets took the gamble that many in Kansas City had been screaming for, and are now 1-7 in what is a virtual certainty to be a fourth consecutive season without the playoffs.

They will play this weekend at Arrowhead Stadium in what for Chiefs fans could be fairly called The Upside of Boring.

Boring hardly ever plays well with sports fans, right? We want bold, we want daring. We want to toast those with enough guts to go for it all and laugh at the cowards who don’t.

But when it came time for the Chiefs’ new power structure to choose a quarterback, they did it with all of the flair of a ham sandwich.

They traded for a known commodity in Alex Smith, a man who had demonstrated what scouts often call “a high floor” but also “a low ceiling” which is often translated by fans and media as “weak sauce.” Then, when Smith performed well in their system and with their coaches, they signed him to a long-term extension for a higher salary than two-time Super Bowl champion Eli Manning, among others. Solid, logical, conservative thinking.

This has always been the Chiefs’ way. Trading for the 49ers’ backup quarterback is a time-honored tradition here.

One of the byproducts of this approach is a fan base that often clamors for bold, for daring, for, come to think of it, what the Jets sometimes do.

Two years ago, the same offseason when the Chiefs traded for Smith, the Jets were coming off 6-10 and also needed a quarterback. They’d drafted Mark Sanchez four years earlier with the fifth overall pick and watched him deteriorate from promising to an unplayable mess. They felt a compelling need to upgrade, to find the quarterback of their future.

Many around Kansas City wanted the Chiefs to draft Geno Smith, the three-year starter at West Virginia who completed 67 percent of his passes for 98 touchdowns and 21 interceptions.

Full disclosure, I was in that crowd, at least until hearing from league insiders who questioned his drive, personality and ability to read defenses, among other things. Every draft prospect is questioned, obviously, but there was something different about the tone and scope of the criticism of Smith. It’s one reason he fell into the second round, and surely one reason the Chiefs went with a different Smith at quarterback.

Coincidence or not, Geno Smith has been fairly terrible in his short time in the NFL. He’s thrown 19 touchdowns and 31 interceptions. By passer rating, Total Quarterback Rating, and the advanced metrics at Pro Football Focus and Football Outsiders, Smith is either the worst, second-worst, or third-worst quarterback this season.

He was benched this week. Michael Vick, who has completed 26 of 56 passes this season, will start instead.

Think the Jets would like that pick back?

Alex Smith was the top overall pick in the 2005 draft, but generally lacks the type of elite, obvious, natural ability that fans and scouts like in brand name quarterbacks.

The story about the Chiefs’ Smith is often the story about what he isn’t. He’s a good athlete with a great feel for the pocket, but can’t really be called elusive. He reads defenses well and is usually quite accurate, but has occasional lapses and doesn’t throw the best deep ball.

The Chiefs lost at the goal line as time expired in Denver, and with an interception on their final drive in San Francisco. The quarterback is the one who gets the most credit when things go well (like the two-minute drill that won a game in San Diego) and the one with the most blame when things fail. That’s part of the job description.

But in Smith’s case, it misses the point that the Chiefs are 11th in the league in scoring with a flimsy group of receivers and an offensive line that struggles in pass protection.

Jamaal Charles is the star of the offense, obviously, the one defenses plan for every week. But Smith makes enough good decisions, and is reliable enough with short and medium-range passes, to keep the offense moving and — through a season and a half in Kansas City — the Chiefs winning.

Now, clearly, the Chiefs would love to draft and develop their own quarterback. That has proven to be the most successful way to find a top passer and win Super Bowls.

But the Chiefs picked first overall the year after Andrew Luck. They went boring, and traded for a guy who led them to the playoffs. The Jets reached, and drafted a guy they just benched.

Boring is better, sometimes.

Hammock Parties · 10-30-2014, 08:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Detoxing

Except the part where Alex Smith is much younger and has legitimate prospects in Murray and Bray behind him?

Those guys are straight up turds who will never win an NFL game.

Get real.

ToxSocks · 10-30-2014, 08:20 PM

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Originally Posted by SNR

And avoiding a QB in the draft like the plague because your franchise is dickless and scared doesn't always work out, either.

Neither I or the article said that the Chiefs should avoid it.

Again, you guys are misunderstanding the article just to get roused up over the Peterson way.

ToxSocks · 10-30-2014, 08:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Count Zarth

Those guys are straight up turds who will never win an NFL game.

Get real.

Maybe.

But they come with a high pedigree and are just as legitimate as any other back up QB prospect in the league right now.

The argument isn't whether these guys will work out, but whether or not Reid is willing to draft and develop QB's.

ToxSocks · 10-30-2014, 08:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Deberg_1990

Now, clearly, the Chiefs would love to draft and develop their own quarterback. That has proven to be the most successful way to find a top passer and win Super Bowls.

Did you guys even read the article? Mellinger alludes to his opinion on the matter here.

He's not disagreeing with you......

???

**Easy 6** · 10-30-2014, 08:27 PM

Same old shit from the same old crowd.

Hammock Parties · 10-30-2014, 08:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Easy 6

Same old shit from the same old crowd.

79,000 strong, cheering on the checkdown.

Sandy Vagina · 10-30-2014, 08:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Easy 6

Same old shit from the same old crowd.

yep.. just another Alex thread for the vaginas to bleed all over.

( regardless of whether you meant well, OP )

**Bearcat** · 10-30-2014, 08:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Easy 6

Same old shit from the same old crowd.

But, it's constructive this time! People will change their minds after this masterfully written article that might actually just be a modified article from 1997 or 2003 or 2006 or 2010.

Hammock Parties · 10-30-2014, 08:30 PM

Mellinger wrote this bullshit just to troll us.

I miss Whitlock. At least his trolling had the truth behind it.

**wazu** · 10-30-2014, 08:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Count Zarth

Mellinger wrote this bullshit just to troll us.

I miss Whitlock. At least his trolling had the truth behind it.

This has truth in it. He comes out and says getting a top QB is how Superbowls are won. In this case, it wouldn't have worked. We were wrong about Geno. Be thankful for that.

**Bearcat** · 10-30-2014, 08:40 PM

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Originally Posted by wazu

This has truth in it. He comes out and says getting a top QB is how Superbowls are won. In this case, it wouldn't have worked. We were wrong about Geno. Be thankful for that.

It's a risk and one that's not easily analyzed by simply assuming Geno would be in the exact same situation had he been drafted by the Chiefs.

But, let's play it safe for another few decades just in case the Chiefs are just really unlucky with their current strategy.

ToxSocks · 10-30-2014, 08:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Bearcat

It's a risk and one that's not easily analyzed by simply assuming Geno would be in the exact same situation had he been drafted by the Chiefs.

But, let's play it safe for another few decades just in case the Chiefs are just really unlucky with their current strategy.

It's a calculated risk and by their calculations they decided that Geno wasn't going to work for them, possibly for the same exact reasons he's not working out in NY.

That's all this means.

It DOESN'T mean that they're afraid to take a QB.

Not taking Geno Smith does not mean they're afraid to take a QB. However, it does mean that they're pretty good at identifying busts.

Hammock Parties · 10-30-2014, 08:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Detoxing

Not taking Geno Smith does not mean they're afraid to take a QB.

Signing Alex does...maybe not afraid...but head over heels for Alex.

READ MY LIPS: NO FIRST ROUND QBS

**RealSNR** · 10-30-2014, 08:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Detoxing

Did you guys even read the article? Mellinger alludes to his opinion on the matter here.

He's not disagreeing with you......

???

Yes he is. He's saying, "WELP I LEARNED A LESSON AND SO SHOULD ALL OF YOU," and that's to trade for the backup when you're unsure.

If your franchise is crap, and there's no QB available, try to trade draft picks for 8-8.

His evidence? The 4-3 Chiefs with Alex Smith.

Pretty shitty article.

ToxSocks · 10-30-2014, 08:56 PM

WTF happened to the random thought thread? Im high as **** and having all kinds of great ideas.

10-30-2014, 07:49 PM
Deberg_1990 In Search of a Life Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: San Antonio Tx. Casino cash: $114454	Mellinger: In the Jets, there's a lesson for Chiefs fan about taking the safe route http://www.kansascity.com/sports/spt...le3481340.html In the structure of the modern NFL, the most important decision a franchise can make is who plays quarterback. Two years ago, two franchises walked away from this decision on two very different paths. The Chiefs played it safe, were largely criticized for it, then made the playoffs and have a chance to do it again this season. The Jets took the gamble that many in Kansas City had been screaming for, and are now 1-7 in what is a virtual certainty to be a fourth consecutive season without the playoffs. They will play this weekend at Arrowhead Stadium in what for Chiefs fans could be fairly called The Upside of Boring. Boring hardly ever plays well with sports fans, right? We want bold, we want daring. We want to toast those with enough guts to go for it all and laugh at the cowards who don’t. But when it came time for the Chiefs’ new power structure to choose a quarterback, they did it with all of the flair of a ham sandwich. They traded for a known commodity in Alex Smith, a man who had demonstrated what scouts often call “a high floor” but also “a low ceiling” which is often translated by fans and media as “weak sauce.” Then, when Smith performed well in their system and with their coaches, they signed him to a long-term extension for a higher salary than two-time Super Bowl champion Eli Manning, among others. Solid, logical, conservative thinking. This has always been the Chiefs’ way. Trading for the 49ers’ backup quarterback is a time-honored tradition here. One of the byproducts of this approach is a fan base that often clamors for bold, for daring, for, come to think of it, what the Jets sometimes do. Two years ago, the same offseason when the Chiefs traded for Smith, the Jets were coming off 6-10 and also needed a quarterback. They’d drafted Mark Sanchez four years earlier with the fifth overall pick and watched him deteriorate from promising to an unplayable mess. They felt a compelling need to upgrade, to find the quarterback of their future. Many around Kansas City wanted the Chiefs to draft Geno Smith, the three-year starter at West Virginia who completed 67 percent of his passes for 98 touchdowns and 21 interceptions. Full disclosure, I was in that crowd, at least until hearing from league insiders who questioned his drive, personality and ability to read defenses, among other things. Every draft prospect is questioned, obviously, but there was something different about the tone and scope of the criticism of Smith. It’s one reason he fell into the second round, and surely one reason the Chiefs went with a different Smith at quarterback. Coincidence or not, Geno Smith has been fairly terrible in his short time in the NFL. He’s thrown 19 touchdowns and 31 interceptions. By passer rating, Total Quarterback Rating, and the advanced metrics at Pro Football Focus and Football Outsiders, Smith is either the worst, second-worst, or third-worst quarterback this season. He was benched this week. Michael Vick, who has completed 26 of 56 passes this season, will start instead. Think the Jets would like that pick back? Alex Smith was the top overall pick in the 2005 draft, but generally lacks the type of elite, obvious, natural ability that fans and scouts like in brand name quarterbacks. The story about the Chiefs’ Smith is often the story about what he isn’t. He’s a good athlete with a great feel for the pocket, but can’t really be called elusive. He reads defenses well and is usually quite accurate, but has occasional lapses and doesn’t throw the best deep ball. The Chiefs lost at the goal line as time expired in Denver, and with an interception on their final drive in San Francisco. The quarterback is the one who gets the most credit when things go well (like the two-minute drill that won a game in San Diego) and the one with the most blame when things fail. That’s part of the job description. But in Smith’s case, it misses the point that the Chiefs are 11th in the league in scoring with a flimsy group of receivers and an offensive line that struggles in pass protection. Jamaal Charles is the star of the offense, obviously, the one defenses plan for every week. But Smith makes enough good decisions, and is reliable enough with short and medium-range passes, to keep the offense moving and — through a season and a half in Kansas City — the Chiefs winning. Now, clearly, the Chiefs would love to draft and develop their own quarterback. That has proven to be the most successful way to find a top passer and win Super Bowls. But the Chiefs picked first overall the year after Andrew Luck. They went boring, and traded for a guy who led them to the playoffs. The Jets reached, and drafted a guy they just benched. Boring is better, sometimes.
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