Football RGIII throws his teammates under the bus - Page 3

Deberg_1990 · 11-17-2014, 06:07 PM

Nice job

http://m.espn.go.com/nfl/story?story...e.com%2F%22%7D

ASHBURN, Va., -- Washington Redskins coach Jay Gruden had no issue with the bulk of what quarterback Robert Griffin III said after Sunday's loss to Tampa Bay. But Gruden made it clear that Griffin went too far with his comments, leading to another potential issue with the struggling team.

And Gruden also emphasized, perhaps more importantly, a need for Griffin to improve his fundamentals.

After Sunday's 27-7 loss to Tampa Bay, Griffin spoke about the mistakes he had made and how he must play better. But towards the end of his press conference, Griffin said, "If you want to look at the good teams in this league and the great quarterbacks, the Aaron Rodgers or Peyton Mannings, those guys don't play well if their guys don't play well. I need every guy in that locker room and I know they are looking at me saying the same thing."

Griffin went one step too far for Gruden, who told the quarterback as much Monday. While Gruden agreed that others need to play better, that's a message that should come from a coach not a player.

"It's his job to worry about his position, his footwork, his fundamentals, his reads, his progressions, his job at the quarterback position," Gruden said. "It's my job to worry about everybody else. And, yes, everybody else needs to improve. There's no question about it. But it's not his place. His place is to talk about himself and he knows that. He just elaborated a little bit too much."

Perhaps spurred by Griffin's post-game comment, or perhaps by some headlines it generated, receiver DeSean Jackson posted a comment on Instagram that read, "You can't do epic s--- with basic people."

That led to Gruden addressing the issue in a team meeting Monday, not wanting another issue to escalate at Redskins Park -- as they often have over the years.

"I don't know exactly what DeSean meant, but I think he was frustrated a little bit with what came out about Robert," Gruden said. "One of the headlines was 'Robert throws team under the bus.' Whatever he said after the postgame got twisted around a little bit. It's our job in-house as players and coaches to make sure we say the right things and not let your words get twisted by the media or anybody. Otherwise it'll be he-said, she-said and there will be Twitter wars and social media events that will get out of control. We've got to put a stop to it now."

An hour or so after Gruden's press conference, Griffin took to social media and said on Twitter:

The Redskins are 0-2 since Griffin returned from a dislocated left ankle. Since his rookie season, Griffin's star has fallen, thanks to injuries and subsequent lackluster play. Washington has lost eight straight games that Griffin has started and played the entire game.

Sunday, he completed 23-of-32 passes for 207 yards, one touchdown and two interceptions. He was sacked six times, often because of indecision or improper fundamentals, Gruden said.

"Robert had some fundamental flaws," Gruden said. "His footwork was below average. He took three-step drops when he should have taken five. He took a one-step drop when he should have taken three, on a couple occasions, and that can't happen. He stepped up when he didn't have to step up and stepped into pressure. He read the wrong side of the field a couple times. So from his basic performance just critiquing Robert it was not even close to being good enough to what we expect from the quarterback position."

Gruden said some of Griffin's issues stem from him trying to do too much, rather than just execute the basic play. He attributed that to Griffin's competitiveness. But sometimes, Gruden said, just simple precision works best.

"Just take your drops the right way and throw the five-yard stick route when you're supposed to and do the best you can," Gruden said. "Sometimes he worries a little bit too much, we've just got to try to get him better. His frame of mind is in the right place. It just doesn't come out the right way sometimes, but he wants to get better. He knows he has a long way to go to get better. If he stays on the right track as far as work ethic and listening and preparing, then he'll get better."

Gruden said sometimes Griffin sees something that isn't there or speeds up the play unnecessarily.

"You just have to play with greater poise," Gruden said, "and continue to rep these things so when you catch a shotgun snap or take a drop from center that should be the last thing you should think about. That should come natural. Right now, for whatever reason, those aren't coming natural and that's on us as a staff. We've got to make sure we make it as natural for him as possible."

TLO · 11-17-2014, 08:29 PM

I'd like to se RGIII go to the Vikings or Titans. The Redskins are a dumpster fire.

TLO · 11-17-2014, 08:31 PM

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Originally Posted by 505 Chief

Yep, having a first round QB is CLEARLY overrated. Why, what has a first round QB ever done for KC? Lately, even?

Oh...

Alex Smith is/was a first round QB. He's led this team to many wins, and.I believe he'll lead this team to a playoff win or two this season.

Saccopoo · 11-17-2014, 08:31 PM

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Originally Posted by 505 Chief

Yep, having a first round QB is CLEARLY overrated. Why, what has a first round QB ever done for KC? Lately, even?

Oh...

Mhmmm hmmm...

Sweet Daddy Hate · 11-17-2014, 08:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Big Smoke

Alex Smith is/was a first round QB. He's led this team to many wins, and.I believe he'll lead this team to a playoff win or two this season.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Saccopoo

Mhmmm hmmm...

**Mav** · 11-17-2014, 08:36 PM

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Originally Posted by 505 Chief

Yep, having a first round QB is CLEARLY overrated. Why, what has a first round QB ever done for KC? Lately, even?

Oh...

Really Bro?

Honestly? Come on man......LOL

**Mav** · 11-17-2014, 08:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Big Smoke

Alex Smith is/was a first round QB. He's led this team to many wins, and.I believe he'll lead this team to a playoff win or two this season.

you seem awesome.

Saccopoo · 11-17-2014, 08:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Mav

Really Bro?

Honestly? Come on man......LOL

He "Oh..."'d.

You're better than this Mav.

Sweet Daddy Hate · 11-17-2014, 08:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mav

Really Bro?

Honestly? Come on man......LOL

The point, was that 1st round QB's may not all be gaudy with the numbers or Unleash The Dragon, but if they are a GOOD 1st round QB, they will have attributes and skills that help their team, ala Smith.

**Mav** · 11-17-2014, 08:49 PM

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Originally Posted by 505 Chief

The point, was that 1st round QB's may not all be gaudy with the numbers or Unleash The Dragon, but if they are a GOOD 1st round QB, they will have attributes and skills that help their team, ala Smith.

Hehe

OldSchool · 11-18-2014, 05:38 PM

According to Steve Young:
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com...t-in-the-time/

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Hall of Fame quarterback Steve Young says he knows the problem with Robert Griffin III: He doesn’t work hard enough.

Young said on the Michael Kay Show that he has spoken with coaches who have worked with Griffin, and those coaches told him that Griffin simply doesn’t spend the long hours studying film that an NFL quarterback needs.

“I’ve talked to his previous coaches, people I really trust and admire, that know quarterbacks. He doesn’t put the time in,” Young said.

Young didn’t mention any of those “previous coaches” by name, but it’s not a leap to infer that he’s referring to Mike Shanahan, who was Washington’s head coach for Griffin’s first two seasons. Shanahan was the 49ers’ offensive coordinator from 1992 to 1994, when Young was having his three best seasons as the 49ers’ starting quarterback. Shanahan and Young have been close for years.

According to Young, it’s the mental side of the game that makes a good quarterback in the NFL, and Young believes that Griffin needs to spend more time developing the mental side of the game during the offseason.

“Success is really about expertise,” Young said. “May, June, July work, and going to school.”

Much like Griffin, Young was once an athletic quarterback who needed time to learn how to be a pocket passer. Young thinks it’s harder for great runners like Griffin to develop as passers because they always assume they can fall back on running if they need to.

“Guys that can use their legs, it’s like they’re not desperate. Guys who can’t use their legs are more desperate so they’ll put more time in,” Young said.

And according to Young, Griffin isn’t putting the time in. That’s what’s holding him back.

**notorious** · 11-18-2014, 05:43 PM

Griffin would be PERFECT here.

BWillie · 11-18-2014, 05:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Rausch

You ask me the coach's overreaction was a much bigger deal than anything RGIII said...

I agree, never did RGIII say anything out of line. Any other QB in the league gets away with that and he didn't directly put anyone down. He took responsibility for his own actions and indicated that as a whole they all need to get better.

Reerun_KC · 11-18-2014, 05:54 PM

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Originally Posted by O.city

I'd like to see him with Andy Reid.

Send them a 6th?

NO way, dude is fragile as a china doll...

Deberg_1990 · 11-18-2014, 06:01 PM

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Originally Posted by OldSchool

According to Steve Young:
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com...t-in-the-time/

Yea, RGIII smacks of one of those guys with an 'I Made it' attitude and just stops trying.

He will probably get cut by the Redskins eventually and go on to find greater success with another team after he has matured and been humbled.

Chiefspants · 11-18-2014, 06:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Reerun_KC

NO way, dude is fragile as a china doll...

Almost any QB in this league would have broken under Shanahan's idiotic system (one that very much had Synder's support).

11-17-2014, 06:07 PM
Deberg_1990 In Search of a Life Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: San Antonio Tx. Casino cash: $3514454	RGIII throws his teammates under the bus Nice job http://m.espn.go.com/nfl/story?story...e.com%2F%22%7D ASHBURN, Va., -- Washington Redskins coach Jay Gruden had no issue with the bulk of what quarterback Robert Griffin III said after Sunday's loss to Tampa Bay. But Gruden made it clear that Griffin went too far with his comments, leading to another potential issue with the struggling team. And Gruden also emphasized, perhaps more importantly, a need for Griffin to improve his fundamentals. After Sunday's 27-7 loss to Tampa Bay, Griffin spoke about the mistakes he had made and how he must play better. But towards the end of his press conference, Griffin said, "If you want to look at the good teams in this league and the great quarterbacks, the Aaron Rodgers or Peyton Mannings, those guys don't play well if their guys don't play well. I need every guy in that locker room and I know they are looking at me saying the same thing." Griffin went one step too far for Gruden, who told the quarterback as much Monday. While Gruden agreed that others need to play better, that's a message that should come from a coach not a player. "It's his job to worry about his position, his footwork, his fundamentals, his reads, his progressions, his job at the quarterback position," Gruden said. "It's my job to worry about everybody else. And, yes, everybody else needs to improve. There's no question about it. But it's not his place. His place is to talk about himself and he knows that. He just elaborated a little bit too much." Perhaps spurred by Griffin's post-game comment, or perhaps by some headlines it generated, receiver DeSean Jackson posted a comment on Instagram that read, "You can't do epic s--- with basic people." That led to Gruden addressing the issue in a team meeting Monday, not wanting another issue to escalate at Redskins Park -- as they often have over the years. "I don't know exactly what DeSean meant, but I think he was frustrated a little bit with what came out about Robert," Gruden said. "One of the headlines was 'Robert throws team under the bus.' Whatever he said after the postgame got twisted around a little bit. It's our job in-house as players and coaches to make sure we say the right things and not let your words get twisted by the media or anybody. Otherwise it'll be he-said, she-said and there will be Twitter wars and social media events that will get out of control. We've got to put a stop to it now." An hour or so after Gruden's press conference, Griffin took to social media and said on Twitter: The Redskins are 0-2 since Griffin returned from a dislocated left ankle. Since his rookie season, Griffin's star has fallen, thanks to injuries and subsequent lackluster play. Washington has lost eight straight games that Griffin has started and played the entire game. Sunday, he completed 23-of-32 passes for 207 yards, one touchdown and two interceptions. He was sacked six times, often because of indecision or improper fundamentals, Gruden said. "Robert had some fundamental flaws," Gruden said. "His footwork was below average. He took three-step drops when he should have taken five. He took a one-step drop when he should have taken three, on a couple occasions, and that can't happen. He stepped up when he didn't have to step up and stepped into pressure. He read the wrong side of the field a couple times. So from his basic performance just critiquing Robert it was not even close to being good enough to what we expect from the quarterback position." Gruden said some of Griffin's issues stem from him trying to do too much, rather than just execute the basic play. He attributed that to Griffin's competitiveness. But sometimes, Gruden said, just simple precision works best. "Just take your drops the right way and throw the five-yard stick route when you're supposed to and do the best you can," Gruden said. "Sometimes he worries a little bit too much, we've just got to try to get him better. His frame of mind is in the right place. It just doesn't come out the right way sometimes, but he wants to get better. He knows he has a long way to go to get better. If he stays on the right track as far as work ethic and listening and preparing, then he'll get better." Gruden said sometimes Griffin sees something that isn't there or speeds up the play unnecessarily. "You just have to play with greater poise," Gruden said, "and continue to rep these things so when you catch a shotgun snap or take a drop from center that should be the last thing you should think about. That should come natural. Right now, for whatever reason, those aren't coming natural and that's on us as a staff. We've got to make sure we make it as natural for him as possible."
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