Football Niners tanking rest of season to get 1st pick in draft? - Page 3

King_Chief_Fan · 11-04-2015, 10:17 AM

http://espn.go.com/blog/san-francisc...n-another-game

manchambo · 11-04-2015, 12:41 PM

Isn't it better to do it on purpose, as opposed to inadvertently like the Chiefs are doing it?

Eleazar · 11-04-2015, 12:45 PM

They've lost 6 out of 7. Tanking would be to leave Krapernick out there.

KC_Lee · 11-04-2015, 12:49 PM

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Originally Posted by saphojunkie

Our best OL was drafted in the second round, not first overall.

Paxton Lynch in the first, no matter the cost.

Actually 3rd round if you are referring to Shields but your point is well taken.

Saccopoo · 11-04-2015, 12:51 PM

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Originally Posted by KC_Lee

Show me one scenario where KC takes a QB in round #1? I don't care the draft position, top 10, mid range (11 - 20) or end of round #1. KC will not draft a QB in round 1.

This team cannot and will not break the narrative of Alex Smith as the starting QB. Reid is tied to him to tightly and will not do anything that would jeopardize that fact.

I'm not saying Hogan is the next coming, just saying that is the best we can hope for as Chiefs' fans.

They can absolutely break that narrative. However, it's foolish to think that Smith won't be starting in 2016 even if they draft a QB in the first round. Nor would you really want a noob signal caller under center next season. Reid's offense is relatively complex and it will take a season of adjustment for a rookie to immerse themselves into the Chiefs offensive narrative. Smith gets it for another season and if you are an understanding fan, that's exactly how you want it to go even if they draft a QB high in 2016.

And if they truly like a guy, like Paxton Lynch (who is absolutely surging in the eyes of the media and the casual fan), I can see them working trades to make a higher selection happen. You like a guy, you make it happen to go get them.

However, there are a number of pretty solid QB prospects in this draft. I personally like Paxton Lynch and did so prior to his mercurial rise to fame after beating Ole Miss this season, but that doesn't mean that the guys after him are chopped liver.

Christian Hackenberg of Penn State was, at one time, viewed as a potential #1 overall selection, being favorably compared to Andrew Luck his freshman year - which was absolutely stellar. However, the system or the surrounding pieces didn't do him any favors his sophomore year, where he almost looked like he regressed, but he's having a very good year this year (redshirt junior) and had the Nittany Lions sitting at a surprising 7-2 so far in 2015. He's showing excellent poise and composure this season and still has a huge arm to go along with that pro ready frame. More of a pocket passer, but can get out and scramble when required.

Kevin Hogan of Stanford suffered the fate of being the guy to follow Andrew Luck. However, he has progressed every year and, like the aforementioned Hackenberg, he's got a NFL body and a big arm with good athleticism. His numbers don't knock your socks off, but he's in a system that features the ground game first and is playing with a dynamic threat in McCaffery, who is getting all the publicity right now. But he would be an excellent QB in Reid's system and has the arm talent and game understanding to develop into a real NFL level guy.

Cook and Goff are both very solid prospects who have both enjoyed being mentioned as potential "first QB taken in the 2016 NFL Draft" type of players.

If there is a guy that they like, I have no doubts that they will go and get him. Dorsey has to understand that Smith is beginning to fade in terms of accuracy and arm strength (at least it's quite noticeable this season so far) and has to know what is on the roster behind him. Daniel is a FA after the season and Murray looks to be the heir apparent to #1 clipboard holder. Bray hangs around for arm strength alone.

Even if the Chiefs don't pick in the top 10, they will have a shot at a pretty good signal caller who should be able to make the transition to the NFL.

If you remember the '83 draft, Elway was the runaway #1 pick, but most of the guys that followed were pretty solid pro prospects and many turned out to have excellent careers.

There might not be three Hall of Famers in the 2016 QB class, but it's a pretty solid one through five selection and there are a couple of dark horses in this draft as well that will be available in the mid to late rounds.

**Bowser** · 11-04-2015, 12:54 PM

If ever there was a year the Chiefs were going to get a QB in round 1, this is the year. Get the kid and let him back up Alex for what essentially should be his last year in KC, all the while learning how to prepare to be an NFL QB from Alex and Reid. If they choose not to do that this year, then I might actually start to believe it will never happen again.

RunKC · 11-04-2015, 01:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Discuss Thrower

Yup. If your first round picks have a 50%+ chance of busting, might as well reach for a position that has a more immediate impact on the field of play.

Jon Baldwin sucked and was probably an instance of Pioli trying to outsmart the league, but I'd much rather reach for a WR in a general sense than not unless you're looking at a ridiculously can't-miss OL/DL prospect that's fallen to your draft slot.

The Chiefs are going to be the same loser franchise they've been almost the entirety of their existence next spring and will take a tackle to pave the way for letting Fisher go instead of paying him franchise LT money instead of taking a chance at a QB in the first round should one of that caliber fall to 15th-20th.

Because Chuefs

Amazing that people would still take Geno Smith over Eric Fisher.

We would be an even bigger laughingstock with that clown when we have a LT who's actually playing solid football for a hopeful future QB.

Eleazar · 11-04-2015, 01:05 PM

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Originally Posted by RunKC

Amazing that people would still take Geno Smith over Eric Fisher.

We would be an even bigger laughingstock with that clown when we have a LT who's actually playing solid football for a hopeful future QB.

Exactly

Discuss Thrower · 11-04-2015, 01:13 PM

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Originally Posted by RunKC

Amazing that people would still take Geno Smith over Eric Fisher.

We would be an even bigger laughingstock with that clown when we have a LT who's actually playing solid football for a hopeful future QB.

Dee Milliner would have been defensible. Or Sammy Watkins. And at the time, Sheldon Richardson.

It wasn't a trinary option of Joekel/Fisher/Geno Smith...

RunKC · 11-04-2015, 01:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Discuss Thrower

Dee Milliner would have been defensible. Or Sammy Watkins. And at the time, Sheldon Richardson.

It wasn't a trinary option of Joekel/Fisher/Geno Smith...

Eric Fisher has the 11th best pass blocking efficiency among NFL OTs that played >50% of their team's snaps (per @PFF). #Chiefs
— Brandon Kiley (@BKSportsTalk) October 29, 2015

Eric Fisher is playing as well as any pick in the top 10 of that draft right now. He's played well this year.

It was the right pick.

Valiant · 11-04-2015, 02:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Iczer

Is it time to start preparing for another 49er's retread? How long before Kaepernick is traded to KC for three 3rd round picks?

Umm. We are the chiefs 2nd or higher.

KCTitus · 11-04-2015, 03:05 PM

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Originally Posted by RunKC

Amazing that people would still take Geno Smith over Eric Fisher.

We would be an even bigger laughingstock with that clown when we have a LT who's actually playing solid football for a hopeful future QB.

Yeah, no kidding...no spread offense QB's for me, thank you. I want a pocket passer QB that plays in a pro style offense.

That said, would Chase Daniel be starting today?

**DaneMcCloud** · 11-04-2015, 03:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Discuss Thrower

Dee Milliner would have been defensible. Or Sammy Watkins. And at the time, Sheldon Richardson.

It wasn't a trinary option of Joekel/Fisher/Geno Smith...

Dee Milliner has been garbage. Richardson had baggage and has already been suspended by the league.

And finally, Sammy Watkins wasn't drafted until 2014, you ****ing dumbass twat.

Discuss Thrower · 11-04-2015, 03:54 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Dee Milliner has been garbage. Richardson had baggage and has already been suspended by the league.

And finally, Sammy Watkins wasn't drafted until 2014, you ****ing dumbass twat.

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

I just realized tonight this there is no reason to watch the Royals and Chiefs every move. My very young daughters were confused by my emotions and reactions, as they've never seen me that way. In some ways, it was kind of scary for them, which hit me pretty hard.

I've been a die hard supporter of both teams since I left in February 1993 but it's time for me to acknowledge my current responsibilities. Reading books and watching educational programs is more important than a watching baseball team 2,000 miles a way in a city in which I don't live.

Pretty humbling.

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Mr. Laz · 11-04-2015, 06:16 PM

I'll say it again, NFL teams should discount the ability to run when evaluated quarterbacks.

If not consider even consider it a negative.

Running gives QB's an option other than using their eye to find their secondary and third options. They don't learn to read defenses as well or even seem to learn their offensive schemes as well. Maybe their coaches just don't use as complicated scheme will running QB's.

Either way, running isn't a good thing for a college QB when it comes to transitioning to the NFL.

Mr. Laz · 11-04-2015, 06:20 PM

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Originally Posted by RunKC

Eric Fisher has the 11th best pass blocking efficiency among NFL OTs that played >50% of their team's snaps (per @PFF). #Chiefs
— Brandon Kiley (@BKSportsTalk) October 29, 2015

Eric Fisher is playing as well as any pick in the top 10 of that draft right now. He's played well this year.

It was the right pick.

and that's after having start of his career interrupted by injury and the missing of his first 2 OTA/TC. He's missed so much development time it's not really even his 3rd season yet.

If the team hadn't made him play his entire 1st season injured, he would be much more developed right now.

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