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**luv** · 12-14-2015, 11:42 AM

http://espn.go.com/mlb/story/_/id/14...B&sf16975609=1

The lifetime ban of Major League Baseball career hits leader Pete Rose remains in place, as commissioner Rob Manfred has chosen to keep Rose's banishment in place for gambling on baseball.

MLB said in a statement that Manfred contacted Rose on Monday to inform him of the decision.

Rose and Manfred met in MLB's offices in Manhattan in September, and the commissioner had said he would make a decision on Rose by the end of 2015.

Rose, who was banned from baseball in 1989 after the league's investigation into his gambling, applied for reinstatement for a second time in March. Manfred took over as MLB commissioner in January.

For almost 15 years after being banned, Rose denied he bet on baseball. In 2004, he changed his tune, saying he did so only when managing the Cincinnati Reds.

An Outside the Lines report earlier this year produced documentation from one of Rose's former associates that cataloged his bets in 1986, when he was still playing. Rose's attorney said at the time that his client wouldn't comment as he was in the process of reinstatement, and Rose has not commented on the matter since.

Sources told Quinn it was extremely unlikely all along, even before the Outside the Lines report, that Rose would be reinstated. MLB officials had no sense that Rose had "reconfigured" his life.

Rose passed Ty Cobb as career hits leader with No. 4,192 on Sept. 11, 1985, and he finished his career with 4,256 hits. Rose played for the Reds from 1963 to 1978 and 1984 to 1986, acting as both a player and a manager from 1984 to 1986 and continuing as just a manager until 1989.

He first applied for reinstatement in September 1997 and met with then-commissioner Bud Selig in November 2002, but Selig never ruled on Rose's application.

The continued punishment means Rose cannot be considered for induction into the Baseball Hall of Fame.

NoGodsNoReids · 12-14-2015, 03:40 PM

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Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

It has been proven that Rose selectively gambled on games. That means that he sent a strong signal to bookies when he chose not to bet on games. There's a lot of pretty weighty implications here. You might send your worst relievers out in those games. In fact, there's a lot of evidence that Rose often bet games based on who was starting that night.

But has it been proven he threw any games or bet against his team? No? Okay, then my feelings stay the same.

**gblowfish** · 12-14-2015, 03:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Alex Smith 4Ever

I don't know about Rose, but Barry Bonds absolutely deserves to be in the hall of fame. How can you have a hall of fame when the best player of all time isn't included? Just put an asterisk on his plaque that Barry was accused of using PEDs in a federal investigation but it was never proven and the case was dropped because of a lack of evidence.

I'd agree to this if they affix his plaque to the wall with hypodermic needles.

Just Passin' By · 12-14-2015, 03:44 PM

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Originally Posted by NoGodsNoReids

Cracks me up when people think Ruth was the GOAT. He played in a time where you could be competitive as a player even if you were drunk on the diamond. Players from that time period where pitches never broke 88 MPH wouldn't even make it in the minors today.

Willie Mayes is absolutely the GOAT.

Cracks me up when anyone claims Ruth isn't the GOAT, so we're on even footing here.

Alex Smith 4Ever · 12-14-2015, 03:49 PM

Barry Bonds is the GOAT. He dominated an era where everyone, even the pitchers, were pumped full of steroids and shattering records. There will never be a player like that again as long as there is drug testing in the sport.

Garcia Bronco · 12-14-2015, 03:59 PM

Baseball has been on drugs or alcohol since the 1930s. I always laugh when people talk about keeping people in or out based on steroid use. Understand...the game of baseball has been taking PEDs long before steroids.That means Hank Arron...Babe Ruth...Jackie Robinson and so on...they all took something.

cosmo20002 · 12-14-2015, 04:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Alex Smith 4Ever

I don't know about Rose, but Barry Bonds absolutely deserves to be in the hall of fame. How can you have a hall of fame when the best player of all time isn't included? Just put an asterisk on his plaque that Barry was accused of using PEDs in a federal investigation but it was never proven and the case was dropped because of a lack of evidence.

He ain't close to being the best player of all time. EDIT: Misread, I was talking about Rose here.

Also, MLB doesn't decide who is in the HOF or on the ballot. The HOF runs the HOF.
Among their other rules for being elected, one rule they have is that if you're currently on MLB's banned list, you're ineligible for election. Technically, that is what is keeping him off the ballot. The HOF could put him on the ballot tomorrow if they wanted.

KC_Connection · 12-14-2015, 04:15 PM

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Originally Posted by LoneWolf

Willie Mays is already in the Hall of Fame.

Willie Mays used PEDs. In your eyes, that should be enough to take him out of there, no?

threebag · 12-14-2015, 04:16 PM

he should be in

eDave · 12-14-2015, 04:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Spott

Living in Vegas and spending 4-5 days a week in the Mandalay Bay Hotel and Casino is probably not the best way to convince MLB that you are over your gambling habits.

They touched on this on ESPN. He's not showing that he is not a risk to shame the game again.

Keep him out. What a tragedy. Dude was good.

KC_Connection · 12-14-2015, 04:17 PM

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Originally Posted by cosmo20002

He ain't close to being the best player of all time.

http://www.fangraphs.com/leaders.asp...lter=&players=

Couldn't be close, though.

cosmo20002 · 12-14-2015, 04:48 PM

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Originally Posted by KC_Connection

http://www.fangraphs.com/leaders.asp...lter=&players=

Couldn't be close, though.

Not exactly sure what your comment means, but he's tied with Jeff Bagwell for 35th in fWar. I'm not sure anyone is arguing that Bagwell is close to being the greatest of all time.

**luv** · 12-14-2015, 04:49 PM

So, retired players aren't allowed to gamble either?

KC_Connection · 12-14-2015, 04:51 PM

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Originally Posted by cosmo20002

Not exactly sure what your comment means, but he's tied with Jeff Bagwell for 35th in fWar. I'm not sure anyone is arguing that Bagwell is close to being the greatest of all time.

You quoted a post claiming Barry Bonds was the GOAT, not Pete Rose.

kcxiv · 12-14-2015, 04:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Tuckdaddy

So stupid. Players use steroids and cheat constantly doing so but lose no pay and can still play but Rose is out for life after a few bets? MLB being idiots.

Yep, this right there. Thats worse then betting on your team to win. Then they will say, well he denied it for so long. Well, Of course. I would have done the same! lol

I love me some baseball, but this life time ban bullshit is ****ing stupid. They sure wanted him at the ****ing All Star game in Cincy this year though.

KC_Connection · 12-14-2015, 05:02 PM

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Originally Posted by luv

So, retired players aren't allowed to gamble either?

It's probably not the best idea to continue gambling on baseball when you've been banned from baseball for gambling. Pete Rose dug his own grave here.

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