ESPN: Alex Smith's End Zone Interceptions Ruining a Good Thing for Chiefs

[kcchiefsus]

http://www.espn.com/blog/kansas-city...ing-for-chiefs

Also, Tigeruppercut is a ****.

[KChiefs1]

Originally Posted by Discuss Thrower

Imagine that. A QB that is unable to progress through his downfield receiving options is a turnover liability.

West was open on the INT. He circled out of the backfield & maybe it's a TD.

No one was on Harris but who knows he if would have caught it or not.




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[TripleThreat]

Originally Posted by Reerun_KC

He's directly cost the chiefs 2 games.

I 100% agree with you that he cost us the TB game as well as this game, However, He also single handily carried us in that Denver game Sunday night, that we won in OT.. he also single handily won our 1st game against SD week 1, everyone was sucking him off for that game.


My point being is, tick for tack. Its like comparing apples to oranges... We are all pissed that he cost us those 2 games, but theres no reason for alot of people to be acting the way they are. Its like they found a moment to criticize (rightfully) but its just un-conversational and biased at best.

[Red Dawg]

Originally Posted by TripleThreat

I 100% agree with you that he cost us the TB game as well as this game, However, He also single handily carried us in that Denver game Sunday night, that we won in OT.. he also single handily won our 1st game against SD week 1, everyone was sucking him off for that game.


My point being is, tick for tack. Its like comparing apples to oranges... We are all pissed that he cost us those 2 games, but theres no reason for alot of people to be acting the way they are. Its like they found a moment to criticize (rightfully) but its just un-conversational and biased at best.

Whatever. He leads an offense that can't score worth a damn and not just this year. QBs get paid to throw td's or at least get the offense far enough to run it in. We are near the bottom in all offensive categories. He is easy to defend and teams stack the line nailing Ware all game. He stinks and is not good enough to challenge defenses in the air.

[TEX]

Originally Posted by KChiefs1

West was open in the INT. He circled out of the backfield & maybe it's a TD.

No one was on Harris but who knows he if would have caught it or not.




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Kelce likely would have and he was open at th 5 yd line as well with room to run...Smith threw to the absolute worst choice, who just happened to be the guy covered in the endzone. On any given day, most QB's see that and simply throw it away.

[TripleThreat]

Originally Posted by Tuckdaddy

Whatever. He leads an offense that can't score worth a damn and not just this year. QBs get paid to throw td's or at least get the offense far enough to run it in. We are near the bottom in all offensive categories. He is easy to defend and teams stack the line nailing Ware all game. He stinks and is not good enough to challenge defenses in the air.

Your bolded. I think this is what frustrates many posters, not just your concern, but also for the other people who "disagree" with your thought on this..

I think the right way to phrase this is (He doesnt challenge defenses in the air 'enough') When you say he just stinks and isnt good enough to challenge defenses, i think this rubs people the wrong way which sets up for the traditional argument that has been had on here 10,000 times... The fact of the matter is, Alex is capable of challenging defenses in the air, and doesnt "stink"... he does however, run the problem of not challenging defenses 'enough' in the air.. If you want to get your point across, to the posters or people you so desperatly want to turn tide on the QB, I dont think saying something that is completely untrue, and detrimental to any conversation that COULD be had on alex's short-comings is the right way to go with it.. We can bash on alex for the things he doesnt do right, but where we go wrong, is where we dont give him the credit for when he does do the things that we say he "never does or cant do".. For me personally I think it falls more into the category of he wont do it until hes backed up into a corner with no other choice or a high %, low risk of turnover deep throw.

[TigeRRUppeRRcut]

Originally Posted by BlackOp

He also directly won the San Diego and Denver games. Yeah..those two INTs were HORRIBLE plays..especially when they happened but you have to be fair.

He is what he is...an above average QB.

Any pressure during the last 1:00 seals the game...where was Houston or Ford? Those are the moments your $100 million pass rusher has to step up. A sack screws them...they had no time outs.

I dont understand Sutton not using a blitz...knowing they had to throw downfield.

why this dysfunctional forum can't grasp this is beyond me. We get a 5 year, $14mil/year contract for a veteran QB who plays smart football and people are here screaming to pay $23 mil a year for the next Flacco.

Bunch of damn fools!

[TigeRRUppeRRcut]

Originally Posted by TEX

Kelce likely would have and he was open at th 5 yd line as well with room to run...Smith threw to the absolute worst choice, who just happened to be the guy covered in the endzone. On any given day, most QB's see that and simply throw it away.

No he didn't. you know nothing about football. He had the 1 on 1 with Jeremy but Maclin ran a bad route and allowed the defender to control the inside. DJLN discussed this in detail earlier too. Don't believe it? Watch the tape.

Last year, Maclin dominated the middle every opportunity he got. Not so much this year.

[TigeRRUppeRRcut]

Originally Posted by TripleThreat

I 100% agree with you that he cost us the TB game as well as this game, However, He also single handily carried us in that Denver game Sunday night, that we won in OT.. he also single handily won our 1st game against SD week 1, everyone was sucking him off for that game.


My point being is, tick for tack. Its like comparing apples to oranges... We are all pissed that he cost us those 2 games, but theres no reason for alot of people to be acting the way they are. Its like they found a moment to criticize (rightfully) but its just un-conversational and biased at best.

The defense cost us the TB game. Look at the numbers. They were converting around 70% of 3rd down plays. That's almost twice the league average.

[TigeRRUppeRRcut]

Originally Posted by Chief Northman

God damn it you are one annoying ass.

Don't like it? Then Don't read it.

Ignore button is at your disposal.

[New World Order]

Originally Posted by TripleThreat

Your bolded. I think this is what frustrates many posters, not just your concern, but also for the other people who "disagree" with your thought on this..

I think the right way to phrase this is (He doesnt challenge defenses in the air 'enough') When you say he just stinks and isnt good enough to challenge defenses, i think this rubs people the wrong way which sets up for the traditional argument that has been had on here 10,000 times... The fact of the matter is, Alex is capable of challenging defenses in the air, and doesnt "stink"... he does however, run the problem of not challenging defenses 'enough' in the air.. If you want to get your point across, to the posters or people you so desperatly want to turn tide on the QB, I dont think saying something that is completely untrue, and detrimental to any conversation that COULD be had on alex's short-comings is the right way to go with it.. We can bash on alex for the things he doesnt do right, but where we go wrong, is where we dont give him the credit for when he does do the things that we say he "never does or cant do".. For me personally I think it falls more into the category of he wont do it until hes backed up into a corner with no other choice or a high %, low risk of turnover deep throw.

Nah, he sucks

[NWTF]

Im not a fan of Smith or better put a fan of game manager caliber QBs like Smith in general. QB is just too important of a position to dumb down and try to make up for it in other areas. A rebuilding team trying to find its footing is one thing, but a team that considers itself a legit contender is simply doing it the hard way whether they believe it or not.

That said, from what I understand both Smiths red zone INTs came on locked read plays. Basically one read plays that he either follows through with or throws away if it isnt there. Also from what I understand these plays are opponent specific plays Brad Childress comes up with that are supposedly fool proof if its followed correctly. Which makes the whole thing funnier if true.
Supposedly he had these when he was HC of the Vikings and Favre often improvised them, and even when the improvising was successful it still pissed Childress off. They hated each other and it all started once Favre started changing the one read plays.

[TigeRRUppeRRcut]

Originally Posted by Reekfreek

What are your thoughts on the facts, not fiction, that Alex Smith's two interceptions have directly led to the Chiefs not being tied for the #1 seed right now?

10-4. With Houston out most of the season. jamaal charles has only played maybe half of one game. Maclin down with groin injury for 3+ games. Smith out 1.5 games.

undefeated against our division.

I like our chances, bub.

[TigeRRUppeRRcut]

Originally Posted by NWTF

Im not a fan of Smith or better put a fan of game manager caliber QBs like Smith in general. QB is just too important of a position to dumb down and try to make up for it in other areas. A rebuilding team trying to find its footing is one thing, but a team that considers itself a legit contender is simply doing it the hard way whether they believe it or not.

That said, from what I understand both Smiths red zone INTs came on locked read plays. Basically one read plays that he either follows through with or throws away if it isnt there. Also from what I understand these plays are opponent specific plays Brad Childress comes up with that are supposedly fool proof if its followed correctly. Which makes the whole thing funnier if true.
Supposedly he had these when he was HC of the Vikings and Favre often improvised them, and even when the improvising was successful it still pissed Childress off. They hated each other and it all started once Favre started changing the one read plays.

I hate these one read plays. Reid admitted in the TB game it was a designed fake to Ware to hit an open receiver. Stupid if you ask me. Smith is a mobile QB, let him make a play like he did hitting Ware for that roll out TD pass the other week.

[Hammock Parties]

Originally Posted by TigerUppercut

10-4. With Houston out most of the season. jamaal charles has only played maybe half of one game. Maclin down with groin injury for 3+ games. Smith out 1.5 games.

undefeated against our division.

I like our chances, bub.

So you don't blame Smith for blowing the #1 seed?

[New World Order]

Originally Posted by TigerUppercut

10-4. With Houston out most of the season. jamaal charles has only played maybe half of one game. Maclin down with groin injury for 3+ games. Smith out 1.5 games.

undefeated against our division.

I like our chances, bub.

That was a plus.