Football Overpaid quarterbacks are breaking the NFL salary cap. - Page 3

**The Franchise** · 08-31-2017, 10:06 AM

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Matthew Stafford is the highest-paid player in NFL history. That doesn't sound right, and the crazy thing is we all expected it to eventually happen a year ago.

Interesting prediction from @corryjoel on next player that'll beat Luck for highest paid in NFL: Matthew Stafford
— Ross Tucker (@RossTuckerNFL) June 30, 2016

Even crazier than Stafford holding that title? Kirk Cousins is about nine months away from prying the "highest-paid in history" belt away from him.

Seriously rooting for Bortles to have a Freeman 2010 type of year and for Jags to win AFC South so he's the highest paid player ever.
— Scott Kacsmar (@FO_ScottKacsmar) August 29, 2017

The NFL's quarterback market is out of control and has been ever since Joe Flacco signed his name on a six-year, $120.6 million contract in 2013. It needs fixing. Quarterbacks have too much leverage and are taking up too much money that could be more evenly split between their teammates.

With that in mind, we set out to develop a system to stop the quarterback contract bubble from bursting. Obviously this would need to be collectively bargained between the owners and the NFLPA, so we attempted to create incentives for all sides. It's not perfect - and would probably need to be tweaked - but it's better than what we have now.

So without further ado, here is our four-point plan to better regulate the NFL's quarterback market…

1. Each team can designate one quarterback (let's call it the 'Franchise QB Tag') who does not count against a team's cap, and that quarterback does not count against the cap for the duration of his deal. If the quarterback is cut or traded, the dead money counts against the cap.

We'll use the Texans as an example. Upon signing Brock Osweiler last offseason, Houston would have tagged him as their designated franchise quarterback, so his contract would not have counted toward the team's cap. When they traded him this past offseason, the $9 million in dead money he left behind would count against their cap, though the trade would allow the Texans to place the Franchise QB Tag on another passer if they chose to do so.

2. Set max contracts (salary, guarantees and years included), which are tiered based on certain statistical accomplishments and accolades. The contract figures are based on a percentage of the salary cap.

In order to keep quarterback contracts from continuing to grow out of control, we'll set max contracts for quarterbacks as the NBA does for all of its players. In order to keep quarterbacks like Stafford from demanding Aaron Rodgers Money, these contracts will be tiered based on accomplishments (similar to the NBA's super max contracts).

We'll have three tiers…

Tier 1 is reserved for QUARTERBACKS who have…
Finished in the top-3 in MVP voting once in the last three years or…

Made an All-Pro team at least once during the last three years or…

Made three Pro Bowls in the previous five years or…

Led the league in either passing yards, touchdowns or passer rating once in the past three years

QBs qualified for Tier 1 max contracts: Tom Brady, Aaron Rodgers, Matt Ryan, Cam Newton, Carson Palmer, Russell Wilson, Drew Brees, Ben Roethlisberger, Andrew Luck

Teams can offer these quarterbacks a six-year deal based on 16% of the NFL's salary cap the season they sign their deal. In 2017, they could offer their Tier 1 QB a six-year, $160.3 million contract.

Tier 2 is reserved for QUARTERBACKS who have…
Made at least one Pro Bowl in the last three years AND…

Finished in the top-10 in either passing yards, touchdowns or passer rating once in the last three years

QBs qualified for Tier 2 max contracts: Matthew Stafford, Derek Carr, Eli Manning, Dak Prescott, Alex Smith, Andy Dalton, Kirk Cousins, Marcus Mariota, Jameis Winston, Philip Rivers

Teams can offer these quarterbacks a five-year deal based on 12% of the NFL's salary cap the season they sign their deal. In 2017, they could offer their Tier 2 QB a five-year, $100 million contract.

Tier 3 is reserved for all other quarterbacks
Teams can offer these quarterbacks a four-year deal based on 9% of the NFL's salary cap the season they sign their deal. In 2017, they could offer their Tier 3 QB a four-year, $60 million contract.

If any quarterback wants to argue he has been placed in the wrong tier, there will be an MLB-style arbitration process to decide which tier he is placed into. Philip Rivers, for example, would have a compelling case to jump into Tier 1.

(Note: Teams aren't locked into those contract figures. They are the max contracts the teams can offer. The Patriots could sign Tom Brady to a four-year, $100 million contract if that's what both parties wanted.)

3. These designated contracts offer higher guarantees than quarterbacks are getting now.

Owners are benefitting from this system; they can keep their franchise quarterbacks without paying a ridiculous amount. Non-quarterbacks are happy too, as they get a bigger share of the salary cap. So how do we get quarterbacks on board? Offer them more guaranteed money. Around 60% of contracts handed out by NFL teams is guaranteed. We'll guarantee 70% of the the franchise quarterbacks contracts. The total sums of the contracts will be smaller than they are presently but the guarantees will be higher.

4. In free agency, other teams can offer one fewer year than the quarterback's current team can and only 65% of the contract would be guaranteed.

In order to help owners keep their quarterbacks at home, we'll borrow from the NBA once again. If a quarterback wants to leave a team, he'll have to leave a year of money and some guarantees on the table. Kirk Cousins can flee Washington for San Francisco, but he'll have to give up a lot of money to do so.

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So there it is. The system isn't perfect but it keeps mostly everybody happy, allows teams to keep their franchise quarterback while still having money to build around them and leaves more money for the players who play for a shorter time than quarterbacks typically do.

Tier 2 quarterbacks would be most hurt by the system; then again, this isn't a caste system. There's nothing stopping them from playing their way into Tier 1. If you want Aaron Rodgers Money, play more like Aaron Rodgers.

It's hard to imagine the non-quarterbacks empathizing with the Tier 2 guys and their complaints about their nine-figure contracts. From a utilitarian standpoint, this is a no-brainer for the NFLPA.

Quarterbacks would still be overpaid but not outrageously so. At the very least, we wouldn't have to live in a world where Kirk Cousins is the highest-paid player in the NFL history.

Kaepernick · 08-31-2017, 10:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Rausch

Cousins looks to be the next Brees and the Skins have bungled his deal for years. That's why his $$$ will be so huge...

First, lets see what Cousins does without Desean Jackson and Pierre Garcon. He has benefitted drom having a stacked receiving corps for most of his short career. His #1 is now Jamison Crowder. We are talking Terrell Pryor and Josh Doctson replacing DJax and Garcon. Lets see what Cousins does with them before labeling him the next Drew Brees.

GloucesterChief · 08-31-2017, 11:00 AM

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Originally Posted by notorious

Are they doing what Denver did?

"We will pay you 500k for the next two years. That will count against the cap, but after you retire and you will make around 15 million a year for 4 years as a consultant, which doesn't count against the cap!"

They are contracting with a sports medicine firm that Brady has half, if not majority, ownership off and giving that business all sorts of freebies.

Kaepernick · 08-31-2017, 11:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Discuss Thrower

Quarterback Lives Matter.

RunKC · 08-31-2017, 11:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Discuss Thrower

Tom Brady cap hits:

2016-$13.7 million
2017-$14 million

It's already happening

**DaneMcCloud** · 08-31-2017, 11:06 AM

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Originally Posted by RunKC

Tom Brady cap hits:

2016-$13.7 million
2017-$14 million

It's already happening

Brady's unique because his wife earns $20 million per year, so going after the biggest salary isn't his objective.

I don't think there's ever been an NFL player who's wife has earned more than $400 million dollars.

**Rausch** · 08-31-2017, 11:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Kaepernick

First, lets see what Cousins does without Desean Jackson and Pierre Garcon.

He'll probably suck, like most QB's would with only one legit target (TE.)

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Originally Posted by Kaepernick

He has benefitted drom having a stacked receiving corps for most of his short career. His #1 is now Jamison Crowder. We are talking Terrell Pryor and Josh Doctson replacing DJax and Garcon. Lets see what Cousins does with them before labeling him the next Drew Brees.

So the true test of a QB is to give him only 1 legit option in the passing game and no running game?

So the Gunther/Herm Chiefs model is how you evaluate a QB?...

Chiefnj2 · 08-31-2017, 11:16 AM

MMQB - Actual numbers that show nothing has changed in 20 years:

"I think what everyone needs to realize about quarterback contracts is that nothing’s changed. Quarterbacks at the top of the salary chain are going to make between 13 and 16 percent of the salary cap. That’s how it works. To prove it, I went back to 1997 to see the three highest-paid quarterbacks. And then I took the three highest-paid 20 years later. I found that, basically, we’re playing with Monopoly money. That’s the lesson here.

In 1997, the salary cap was $41.5 million. This year, the cap is $167 million, almost precisely four times what the cap was 20 years ago. Comparing the highest-paid passers then and now, in average salary:

Year QB Avg. Salary Pct. of Cap That Year
1997 Brett Favre $6.5 million 15.7%
1997 Troy Aikman $6.3 million 15.2%
1997 Drew Bledsoe $6.0 million 14.5%
2017 Matthew Stafford $25.3 million 15.1%
2017 Derek Carr $25.0 million 15.0%
2017 Andrew Luck $24.6 million 14.7%

So here’s what changed: nothing. What teams are paying quarterbacks, as a cut of the cap, is exactly what teams paid quarterbacks back in the day. The only argument you could make, and I would listen, is that Favre and Aikman, 20 years ago, had Super Bowl titles on their résumés. Stafford and Carr do not. That’s a valid point. But the bigger point, I think, is that quarterbacks get paid. They did then, they do now, and they will tomorrow."

**Rausch** · 08-31-2017, 11:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Chiefnj2

MMQB - Actual numbers that show nothing has changed in 20 years:

"I think what everyone needs to realize about quarterback contracts is that nothing’s changed. Quarterbacks at the top of the salary chain are going to make between 13 and 16 percent of the salary cap. That’s how it works. To prove it, I went back to 1997 to see the three highest-paid quarterbacks. And then I took the three highest-paid 20 years later. I found that, basically, we’re playing with Monopoly money. That’s the lesson here.

In 1997, the salary cap was $41.5 million. This year, the cap is $167 million, almost precisely four times what the cap was 20 years ago. Comparing the highest-paid passers then and now, in average salary:

Year QB Avg. Salary Pct. of Cap That Year
1997 Brett Favre $6.5 million 15.7%
1997 Troy Aikman $6.3 million 15.2%
1997 Drew Bledsoe $6.0 million 14.5%
2017 Matthew Stafford $25.3 million 15.1%
2017 Derek Carr $25.0 million 15.0%
2017 Andrew Luck $24.6 million 14.7%

So here’s what changed: nothing.

Shocking.

Hell, I'd prefer to have the 32 owners run congress than what we currently have.

They'd actually come to an agreement eventually and get things done under a deadline...

Red Dawg · 08-31-2017, 11:28 AM

Has any QB ever had it easier than Brady? His division is never any good.

Coochie liquor · 08-31-2017, 12:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Red Dawg

Has any QB ever had it easier than Brady? His division is never any good.

Even if one of the other teams in the division happen to have a good season, they're still not likely to take it from the best HC/QB combo of all time! But Brady and BB, can't do it forever (thank god)!!

keg in kc · 08-31-2017, 12:30 PM

Actually expected Stafford to get 30 mil a year.

The issue to me is more about how few upper echelon qb's there are right now, and how many of them are close to retirement age. There's a reason the Dolphins pulled Cutler out of the studio, and the argument could be made that he's an improvement over Tannehill.

**BigRichard** · 08-31-2017, 12:53 PM

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Originally Posted by notorious

Let the team deal with it. It's their decision.

Imagine Indy with Manning, but he doesn't count against the cap. Imagine Denver, and he doesn't count against the cap.

That would allow them to acquire/keep 2 more elite players. Does that help league balance?

With Mahomes being a badass, a rule like this will help the Chiefs, but I still can't get behind it.

Let's not start sucking each others dicks quite yet...

**notorious** · 08-31-2017, 01:12 PM

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Originally Posted by BigRichard

Let's not start sucking each others dicks quite yet...

My name is Patrick Mahomes. I solve problems.

Best22 · 08-31-2017, 01:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Chiefnj2

MMQB - Actual numbers that show nothing has changed in 20 years:

"I think what everyone needs to realize about quarterback contracts is that nothing’s changed. Quarterbacks at the top of the salary chain are going to make between 13 and 16 percent of the salary cap. That’s how it works. To prove it, I went back to 1997 to see the three highest-paid quarterbacks. And then I took the three highest-paid 20 years later. I found that, basically, we’re playing with Monopoly money. That’s the lesson here.

In 1997, the salary cap was $41.5 million. This year, the cap is $167 million, almost precisely four times what the cap was 20 years ago. Comparing the highest-paid passers then and now, in average salary:

Year QB Avg. Salary Pct. of Cap That Year
1997 Brett Favre $6.5 million 15.7%
1997 Troy Aikman $6.3 million 15.2%
1997 Drew Bledsoe $6.0 million 14.5%
2017 Matthew Stafford $25.3 million 15.1%
2017 Derek Carr $25.0 million 15.0%
2017 Andrew Luck $24.6 million 14.7%

So here’s what changed: nothing. What teams are paying quarterbacks, as a cut of the cap, is exactly what teams paid quarterbacks back in the day. The only argument you could make, and I would listen, is that Favre and Aikman, 20 years ago, had Super Bowl titles on their résumés. Stafford and Carr do not. That’s a valid point. But the bigger point, I think, is that quarterbacks get paid. They did then, they do now, and they will tomorrow."

Even Bledsoe won an AFC title

Meanwhile, Carr and Stafford have as many playoff wins as the man in the street

**alpha_omega** · 08-31-2017, 02:26 PM

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There's nothing stopping them from playing their way into Tier 1. If you want Aaron Rodgers Money, play more like Aaron Rodgers.

This is the biggest problem with this proposed "solution".
That all sounds good in theory, but this is a team sport.

08-31-2017, 10:06 AM
The Franchise Most Valuable Villain Join Date: Dec 2006 Casino cash: $2055047	Overpaid quarterbacks are breaking the NFL salary cap. http://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nfl/...id=mailsignout Matthew Stafford is the highest-paid player in NFL history. That doesn't sound right, and the crazy thing is we all expected it to eventually happen a year ago. Interesting prediction from @corryjoel on next player that'll beat Luck for highest paid in NFL: Matthew Stafford — Ross Tucker (@RossTuckerNFL) June 30, 2016 Even crazier than Stafford holding that title? Kirk Cousins is about nine months away from prying the "highest-paid in history" belt away from him. Seriously rooting for Bortles to have a Freeman 2010 type of year and for Jags to win AFC South so he's the highest paid player ever. — Scott Kacsmar (@FO_ScottKacsmar) August 29, 2017 The NFL's quarterback market is out of control and has been ever since Joe Flacco signed his name on a six-year, $120.6 million contract in 2013. It needs fixing. Quarterbacks have too much leverage and are taking up too much money that could be more evenly split between their teammates. With that in mind, we set out to develop a system to stop the quarterback contract bubble from bursting. Obviously this would need to be collectively bargained between the owners and the NFLPA, so we attempted to create incentives for all sides. It's not perfect - and would probably need to be tweaked - but it's better than what we have now. So without further ado, here is our four-point plan to better regulate the NFL's quarterback market… 1. Each team can designate one quarterback (let's call it the 'Franchise QB Tag') who does not count against a team's cap, and that quarterback does not count against the cap for the duration of his deal. If the quarterback is cut or traded, the dead money counts against the cap. We'll use the Texans as an example. Upon signing Brock Osweiler last offseason, Houston would have tagged him as their designated franchise quarterback, so his contract would not have counted toward the team's cap. When they traded him this past offseason, the $9 million in dead money he left behind would count against their cap, though the trade would allow the Texans to place the Franchise QB Tag on another passer if they chose to do so. 2. Set max contracts (salary, guarantees and years included), which are tiered based on certain statistical accomplishments and accolades. The contract figures are based on a percentage of the salary cap. In order to keep quarterback contracts from continuing to grow out of control, we'll set max contracts for quarterbacks as the NBA does for all of its players. In order to keep quarterbacks like Stafford from demanding Aaron Rodgers Money, these contracts will be tiered based on accomplishments (similar to the NBA's super max contracts). We'll have three tiers… Tier 1 is reserved for QUARTERBACKS who have… Finished in the top-3 in MVP voting once in the last three years or… Made an All-Pro team at least once during the last three years or… Made three Pro Bowls in the previous five years or… Led the league in either passing yards, touchdowns or passer rating once in the past three years QBs qualified for Tier 1 max contracts: Tom Brady, Aaron Rodgers, Matt Ryan, Cam Newton, Carson Palmer, Russell Wilson, Drew Brees, Ben Roethlisberger, Andrew Luck Teams can offer these quarterbacks a six-year deal based on 16% of the NFL's salary cap the season they sign their deal. In 2017, they could offer their Tier 1 QB a six-year, $160.3 million contract. Tier 2 is reserved for QUARTERBACKS who have… Made at least one Pro Bowl in the last three years AND… Finished in the top-10 in either passing yards, touchdowns or passer rating once in the last three years QBs qualified for Tier 2 max contracts: Matthew Stafford, Derek Carr, Eli Manning, Dak Prescott, Alex Smith, Andy Dalton, Kirk Cousins, Marcus Mariota, Jameis Winston, Philip Rivers Teams can offer these quarterbacks a five-year deal based on 12% of the NFL's salary cap the season they sign their deal. In 2017, they could offer their Tier 2 QB a five-year, $100 million contract. Tier 3 is reserved for all other quarterbacks Teams can offer these quarterbacks a four-year deal based on 9% of the NFL's salary cap the season they sign their deal. In 2017, they could offer their Tier 3 QB a four-year, $60 million contract. If any quarterback wants to argue he has been placed in the wrong tier, there will be an MLB-style arbitration process to decide which tier he is placed into. Philip Rivers, for example, would have a compelling case to jump into Tier 1. (Note: Teams aren't locked into those contract figures. They are the max contracts the teams can offer. The Patriots could sign Tom Brady to a four-year, $100 million contract if that's what both parties wanted.) 3. These designated contracts offer higher guarantees than quarterbacks are getting now. Owners are benefitting from this system; they can keep their franchise quarterbacks without paying a ridiculous amount. Non-quarterbacks are happy too, as they get a bigger share of the salary cap. So how do we get quarterbacks on board? Offer them more guaranteed money. Around 60% of contracts handed out by NFL teams is guaranteed. We'll guarantee 70% of the the franchise quarterbacks contracts. The total sums of the contracts will be smaller than they are presently but the guarantees will be higher. 4. In free agency, other teams can offer one fewer year than the quarterback's current team can and only 65% of the contract would be guaranteed. In order to help owners keep their quarterbacks at home, we'll borrow from the NBA once again. If a quarterback wants to leave a team, he'll have to leave a year of money and some guarantees on the table. Kirk Cousins can flee Washington for San Francisco, but he'll have to give up a lot of money to do so. **** So there it is. The system isn't perfect but it keeps mostly everybody happy, allows teams to keep their franchise quarterback while still having money to build around them and leaves more money for the players who play for a shorter time than quarterbacks typically do. Tier 2 quarterbacks would be most hurt by the system; then again, this isn't a caste system. There's nothing stopping them from playing their way into Tier 1. If you want Aaron Rodgers Money, play more like Aaron Rodgers. It's hard to imagine the non-quarterbacks empathizing with the Tier 2 guys and their complaints about their nine-figure contracts. From a utilitarian standpoint, this is a no-brainer for the NFLPA. Quarterbacks would still be overpaid but not outrageously so. At the very least, we wouldn't have to live in a world where Kirk Cousins is the highest-paid player in the NFL history.
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08-31-2017, 11:16 AM	#37
Chiefnj2 In Search of a Life Join Date: Mar 2007 Casino cash: $6654388	MMQB - Actual numbers that show nothing has changed in 20 years: "I think what everyone needs to realize about quarterback contracts is that nothing’s changed. Quarterbacks at the top of the salary chain are going to make between 13 and 16 percent of the salary cap. That’s how it works. To prove it, I went back to 1997 to see the three highest-paid quarterbacks. And then I took the three highest-paid 20 years later. I found that, basically, we’re playing with Monopoly money. That’s the lesson here. In 1997, the salary cap was $41.5 million. This year, the cap is $167 million, almost precisely four times what the cap was 20 years ago. Comparing the highest-paid passers then and now, in average salary: Year QB Avg. Salary Pct. of Cap That Year 1997 Brett Favre $6.5 million 15.7% 1997 Troy Aikman $6.3 million 15.2% 1997 Drew Bledsoe $6.0 million 14.5% 2017 Matthew Stafford $25.3 million 15.1% 2017 Derek Carr $25.0 million 15.0% 2017 Andrew Luck $24.6 million 14.7% So here’s what changed: nothing. What teams are paying quarterbacks, as a cut of the cap, is exactly what teams paid quarterbacks back in the day. The only argument you could make, and I would listen, is that Favre and Aikman, 20 years ago, had Super Bowl titles on their résumés. Stafford and Carr do not. That’s a valid point. But the bigger point, I think, is that quarterbacks get paid. They did then, they do now, and they will tomorrow." __________________ Mismanaging the clock.
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08-31-2017, 11:28 AM	#39
Red Dawg Going home eventually Join Date: Dec 2002 Casino cash: $1172858	Has any QB ever had it easier than Brady? His division is never any good. __________________ If you're not first you're last!
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08-31-2017, 12:30 PM	#41
keg in kc oxymoron Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: OP/KC/Whatever Casino cash: $9556299	Actually expected Stafford to get 30 mil a year. The issue to me is more about how few upper echelon qb's there are right now, and how many of them are close to retirement age. There's a reason the Dolphins pulled Cutler out of the studio, and the argument could be made that he's an improvement over Tannehill.
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