Chiefs This loss shows deeper problems than a few players - Page 3

Chief Roundup · 11-19-2017, 05:45 PM

The way that we lost this game speaks to more than just a couple of players or plays.
This loss speaks to problems deep within. I think we have severe problems within our coaching staff if not further up than that.
We are spiraling down and it appears to be untenable to the staff we have in place even with the help of a bye week.
I have always been a Reid fan, but a lot of the problems he had in Philly have followed him to KC. His play calling, inadequate game prep, stubbornness, strategy, clock management. His inability to make coaching changes and bring his family in and unwillingness to move on from them when they are obviously not working are problems that we all now face as well. There is a lot of parallels between our staff here and the ones he had in Philly.
If we are to change our losing ways some of this staff is going to have to be replaced. Where do start? Who are the coaches/assistants that need to be replaced? Even now instead of waiting until the off season.

Andy Reid
Head Coach

Brad Childress
Assistant Head Coach

Matt Nagy
Offensive Coordinator

Eric Bieniemy
Running Backs

Andy Heck
Offensive Line

Corey Matthaei
Assistant Quarterbacks (QBs & OL)

Tom Melvin
Tight Ends

Greg Lewis
Wide Receivers

Joe Bleymaier
Offensive Quality Control

Mike Kafka
Offensive Quality Control

Bob Sutton
Defensive Coordinator

Terry Bradden
Defensive Assistant

Mark DeLeone
Assistant Linebackers (Defense)

Gary Gibbs
Linebackers

Al Harris
Secondary/Cornerbacks

Britt Reid
Defensive Line

Mike Smith
Assistant Defensive Line

Emmitt Thomas
Defensive Backs

Dave Toub
Special Teams Coordinator

Rod Wilson
Assistant Special Teams

Tommy Brasher
Special Projects

Rick Burkholder
Head Athletic Trainer

Barry Rubin
Strength and Conditioning

Travis Crittenden
Strength & Conditioning Assistant

Devin Woodhouse
Strength & Conditioning Assistant

Ryan Reynolds
Sports Science/Conditioning

Mike Frazier
Statistical Analysis Coordinator

Eleazar · 11-19-2017, 06:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Why Not?

That's the issue with these true fans. Chiefs will win the awful division, lose in typical fashion in the playoffs and then true fans will say "they made the playoffs, that's a good season"

We got our ticket to the dance / any given sunday / player or two away / change a play here and there

jspchief · 11-19-2017, 06:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Eureka

The Raiders are getting spanked by New England. The Chargers always beat themselves. The Broncos have no QB. This division can can be won by the Chiefs. They have issues but can still adjust. They are in a good position.

What difference does it make if they win the division by being the best of a bad lot? This team has no prayer of winning a playoff game playing like this.

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**TribalElder** · 11-19-2017, 07:04 PM

Players see the best QB at practice

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lin-a2lTelg

nkd · 11-19-2017, 07:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Fish

Ummmm..... that's the route he was running.

I think was looking for ball right away. Would you rather have your QB throw to outside when there is no one in the backfield of towards the inside where its guaranteed touchdown? The throw inside is always easier to make then outside. Now we both don't know if he was actually running that route or he just got two excited when he got open.

nkd · 11-19-2017, 07:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Hammock Parties

A bunch of ****ing lies. Go **** yourself.

Point out where I actually used harsh words on you or told you to go f yourself? Did I? You really lose credibility when you use personal attacks on someone instead of having a debate. LOL I will stop debating you, clearly you have anger issues.

nkd · 11-19-2017, 07:11 PM

This actually might be a blessing in disquise for chiefs. They are still on top, still have a easy schedule and this will wake the coaching staff and players up a little.

stumppy · 11-19-2017, 07:14 PM

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Originally Posted by nkd

This actually might be a blessing in disquise for chiefs. They are still on top, still have a easy schedule and this will wake the coaching staff and players up a little.

I'll pass on the Koolaide

**MahiMike** · 11-19-2017, 07:23 PM

I blame our secondary more than anything this year. They have been the difference in every close game. Did anyone think we'd get by without a pass interference call once Eli decided to throw it up?

RunKC · 11-19-2017, 07:24 PM

I will say this: there is zero pass rush. Zero.

Justin Houston and sometimes Chris Jones is our pass rush.

**MahiMike** · 11-19-2017, 07:26 PM

These guys right here can go.

Al Harris
Secondary/Cornerbacks

Britt Reid
Defensive Line

Mike Smith
Assistant Defensive Line

Emmitt Thomas
Defensive Backs

Chief Roundup · 11-19-2017, 07:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MahiMike

These guys right here can go.

Al Harris
Secondary/Cornerbacks

Britt Reid
Defensive Line

Mike Smith
Assistant Defensive Line

Emmitt Thomas
Defensive Backs

Where I would start:

Brad Childress
Assistant Head Coach

Andy Heck
Offensive Line

Bob Sutton
Defensive Coordinator

Britt Reid
Defensive Line

Barry Rubin
Strength and Conditioning

**chiefforlife** · 11-19-2017, 07:55 PM

This loss shows our starting QB cant rally his team. He cant make a play with the game on the line. He cant hide any weakness about his team or even himself.

This loss shows why we drafted Mahomes!!

Hammock Parties · 11-19-2017, 07:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by nkd

Point out where I actually used harsh words on you or told you to go f yourself? Did I? You really lose credibility when you use personal attacks on someone instead of having a debate. LOL I will stop debating you, clearly you have anger issues.

Everyone's ****ing angry right now. You lying doesn't help.

jspchief · 11-19-2017, 08:09 PM

Honestly the biggest thing that bothers me is how soft the team is and has been since Reid's arrival. Even when the defense is playing well, it's more finesse than violence. The offense can never get the one tough yard on the ground, or put together that long grinding drive that eats the clock and seals the win.

There's no passion unless it's Peters or Kelce crying to the refs. This team is soft as ****.

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Dayze · 11-19-2017, 08:10 PM

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Originally Posted by jspchief

Honestly the biggest thing that bothers me is how soft the team is and has been since Reid's arrival. Even when the defense is playing well, it's more finesse than violence. The offense can never get the one tough yard on the ground, or put together that long grinding drive that eats the clock and seals the win.

There's no passion unless it's Peters or Kelce crying to the refs. This team is soft as ****.

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Yep.

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Chief Roundup Admitted Planet Junky Join Date: Oct 2000 Casino cash: $-1538373	This loss shows deeper problems than a few players The way that we lost this game speaks to more than just a couple of players or plays. This loss speaks to problems deep within. I think we have severe problems within our coaching staff if not further up than that. We are spiraling down and it appears to be untenable to the staff we have in place even with the help of a bye week. I have always been a Reid fan, but a lot of the problems he had in Philly have followed him to KC. His play calling, inadequate game prep, stubbornness, strategy, clock management. His inability to make coaching changes and bring his family in and unwillingness to move on from them when they are obviously not working are problems that we all now face as well. There is a lot of parallels between our staff here and the ones he had in Philly. If we are to change our losing ways some of this staff is going to have to be replaced. Where do start? Who are the coaches/assistants that need to be replaced? Even now instead of waiting until the off season. Andy Reid Head Coach Brad Childress Assistant Head Coach Matt Nagy Offensive Coordinator Eric Bieniemy Running Backs Andy Heck Offensive Line Corey Matthaei Assistant Quarterbacks (QBs & OL) Tom Melvin Tight Ends Greg Lewis Wide Receivers Joe Bleymaier Offensive Quality Control Mike Kafka Offensive Quality Control Bob Sutton Defensive Coordinator Terry Bradden Defensive Assistant Mark DeLeone Assistant Linebackers (Defense) Gary Gibbs Linebackers Al Harris Secondary/Cornerbacks Britt Reid Defensive Line Mike Smith Assistant Defensive Line Emmitt Thomas Defensive Backs Dave Toub Special Teams Coordinator Rod Wilson Assistant Special Teams Tommy Brasher Special Projects Rick Burkholder Head Athletic Trainer Barry Rubin Strength and Conditioning Travis Crittenden Strength & Conditioning Assistant Devin Woodhouse Strength & Conditioning Assistant Ryan Reynolds Sports Science/Conditioning Mike Frazier Statistical Analysis Coordinator
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jspchief BAMF Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Your Face Casino cash: $9998710	Honestly the biggest thing that bothers me is how soft the team is and has been since Reid's arrival. Even when the defense is playing well, it's more finesse than violence. The offense can never get the one tough yard on the ground, or put together that long grinding drive that eats the clock and seals the win. There's no passion unless it's Peters or Kelce crying to the refs. This team is soft as ****. Sent from my SM-G920V using Tapatalk __________________ Courage is not the absence of fear but rather the judgment that something is more important than fear. The brave may not live forever but the cautious do not live at all.
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