Chiefs Broncos Whining about Chiefs bending the rules - Page 3

**jjchieffan** · 10-28-2018, 06:04 PM

Are they? Are our linemen illegally blocking downfield? Here's the article

KANSAS CITY, Mo. -- The Denver Broncos don't argue that the Chiefs offense is among the league's best.

They don't argue that quarterback Patrick Mahomes is having an MVP-like season. And they don't argue that they've lost twice to the Chiefs in the last four weeks and they don't like it.

They do argue that the Chiefs are bending the rules on downfield blocking when they put Mahomes in some of their most successful plays on offense -- the run-pass options, or RPOs.

"What's that cutoff point for an offensive lineman to be legally down the field in pass pro?'' said defensive end Derek Wolfe. "When is a guy offsides and when is he not? Is it 12 yards now?"

"Because they're 10 yards down the field on pass plays sometimes,'' Wolfe added. "I've been playing football since 1997, that's always been illegal. I've never heard in a single meeting where they said it was OK for linemen to be that far (downfield).''

The Chiefs, now 7-1, completed a season sweep of the Broncos with a 30-23 victory over Denver at Arrowhead Stadium on Sunday. The Broncos, who have lost two meetings to Kansas City by a combined 10 points, held the Chiefs to 49 yards rushing, but Mahomes finished 24-of-34 passing for 303 yards and four touchdowns.

And many of the Chiefs' biggest pass plays came on the run-pass option. The rule for downfield blocking on pass plays is for a player to be a maximum of three yards down the field before the ball is thrown.

"Linemen are five yards downfield, how do we fix that? I don't know,'' said Broncos coach Vance Joseph. "What's the rule say? I don't know. But we have to figure this out and that's on tape. That's on tape, I've seen it.''

Several Broncos defenders echoed Wolfe's and Joseph's comments, including Broncos defensive end Shelby Harris. The Broncos were flagged for 10 penalties overall Sunday, while the Chiefs were flagged seven times.

"I'm not going to sit here and complain about the refs because we hurt ourselves. We had a ton of penalties,'' Wolfe said. "But at the end of the day they missed a ton of penalties on things that they had.''

Wolfe also challenged the validity of Kareem Hunt's highlight-worthy touchdown catch-and-run in the third quarter, when Hunt broke several tackles, hurdled Broncos safety Will Parks and pulled Broncos safety Justin Simmons into the end zone to finish the 23-yard play.

"It's supposed to be a dead play, the guy is offsides, the right guard (Andrew Wylie) is offsides,'' Wolfe said. "The right guard is offsides. I went to stand up thinking they were going to call it.''

http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/2...3fplatform=amp

Hammock Parties · 10-28-2018, 06:19 PM

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Originally Posted by patteeu

Wolfe, the boy who cried.

to the tweeter!

displacedinMN · 10-28-2018, 06:19 PM

Hammock- make sure you get Wolfe-the boy who cries in the next video.

**The Franchise** · 10-28-2018, 06:20 PM

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Originally Posted by In58men

I thought it was shitty that they let Broncos change their mind in regards to accepting/declining that penalty.

This.

DanT · 10-28-2018, 06:20 PM

This is a complaint whose legitimacy is very easy to assess, given the availability of video evidence. If in fact our blockers are downfield at inappropriate times during pass plays, that should be policed. I would imagine that damn near every one of us who's ever played on the offensive line in organized football knows that there are rules about this and those rules are very much intrinsic to the spirit of the game. Loosening them due to lax enforcement, if that is in fact happening, is not a good thing, in my opinion. The game is already lopsided in favor of the offense, again in my opinion. I had been wondering myself how the Run Pass Options can even work given how these rules are written, but I hadn't spent any time reviewing videos about this.

Notwithstanding the merits of the complaint itself, I share the amusement at Broncos complaining about the rules and how they are enforced. There have been Bronco defenders in the past who did not understand that a receiver can and should block defensive backs on pass plays.

Best22 · 10-28-2018, 06:20 PM

Didn’t the Donks cheat in a 1997 playoff game

F*** ‘em

Any cheating against Denver is worth it

jjjayb · 10-28-2018, 06:21 PM

Cheatin' Donkeys can eat a bag of dicks. Remember this donkey scum?

Best22 · 10-28-2018, 06:22 PM

**srvy** · 10-28-2018, 06:23 PM

"I'm not going to sit here and complain about the refs because we hurt ourselves. We had a ton of penalties,'' Wolfe said. "But at the end of the day they missed a ton of penalties on things that they had.''

Yet he is complaining like a pussy

Demonpenz · 10-28-2018, 06:23 PM

ya know who really likes to complain about downfield blocking? A guy who can't get off blocks.

58-4ever · 10-28-2018, 06:24 PM

guess what?? it doesn't MATTER........................ SWEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPP of those shit

DanT · 10-28-2018, 06:25 PM

Even though some Broncos in the past have had bogus complaints, that doesn't mean they are wrong here. I don't know them too well, but they seem OK to me. I have a whole lot of respect for Von Miller, who is both a terrific player and a classy person in how he acknowledges how good his opponents are.

**srvy** · 10-28-2018, 06:26 PM

**Rain Man** · 10-28-2018, 06:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by In58men

I thought it was shitty that they let Broncos change their mind in regards to accepting/declining that penalty.

That was really weird. Vance had made his stupid decision and the ball had been placed. In essence, he got a free time out. Maybe the Chiefs should start doing that if it's allowed.

**srvy** · 10-28-2018, 06:29 PM

Derek Wolfe: "They beat us by a total of 10 points. I'm tired of losing, especially in Kansas City. I really hate Kansas City. REALLY hate it. I don't like coming here. I don't like anything about them except for Travis (Kelce). Travis is the only one I like over there."

Dude is a whiner lol.

kcjoker · 10-28-2018, 06:29 PM

I love it, considering all the pick plays their WR's got away with and their OL putting vaseline on their jerseys...F'm.

10-28-2018, 06:04 PM
jjchieffan Supporter Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Highlandville, MO Casino cash: $3102247	Broncos say the Chiefs are cheating Are they? Are our linemen illegally blocking downfield? Here's the article KANSAS CITY, Mo. -- The Denver Broncos don't argue that the Chiefs offense is among the league's best. They don't argue that quarterback Patrick Mahomes is having an MVP-like season. And they don't argue that they've lost twice to the Chiefs in the last four weeks and they don't like it. They do argue that the Chiefs are bending the rules on downfield blocking when they put Mahomes in some of their most successful plays on offense -- the run-pass options, or RPOs. "What's that cutoff point for an offensive lineman to be legally down the field in pass pro?'' said defensive end Derek Wolfe. "When is a guy offsides and when is he not? Is it 12 yards now?" "Because they're 10 yards down the field on pass plays sometimes,'' Wolfe added. "I've been playing football since 1997, that's always been illegal. I've never heard in a single meeting where they said it was OK for linemen to be that far (downfield).'' The Chiefs, now 7-1, completed a season sweep of the Broncos with a 30-23 victory over Denver at Arrowhead Stadium on Sunday. The Broncos, who have lost two meetings to Kansas City by a combined 10 points, held the Chiefs to 49 yards rushing, but Mahomes finished 24-of-34 passing for 303 yards and four touchdowns. And many of the Chiefs' biggest pass plays came on the run-pass option. The rule for downfield blocking on pass plays is for a player to be a maximum of three yards down the field before the ball is thrown. "Linemen are five yards downfield, how do we fix that? I don't know,'' said Broncos coach Vance Joseph. "What's the rule say? I don't know. But we have to figure this out and that's on tape. That's on tape, I've seen it.'' Several Broncos defenders echoed Wolfe's and Joseph's comments, including Broncos defensive end Shelby Harris. The Broncos were flagged for 10 penalties overall Sunday, while the Chiefs were flagged seven times. "I'm not going to sit here and complain about the refs because we hurt ourselves. We had a ton of penalties,'' Wolfe said. "But at the end of the day they missed a ton of penalties on things that they had.'' Wolfe also challenged the validity of Kareem Hunt's highlight-worthy touchdown catch-and-run in the third quarter, when Hunt broke several tackles, hurdled Broncos safety Will Parks and pulled Broncos safety Justin Simmons into the end zone to finish the 23-yard play. "It's supposed to be a dead play, the guy is offsides, the right guard (Andrew Wylie) is offsides,'' Wolfe said. "The right guard is offsides. I went to stand up thinking they were going to call it.'' http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/2...3fplatform=amp
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DanT Veteran Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: Davis, CA Casino cash: $4201711	This is a complaint whose legitimacy is very easy to assess, given the availability of video evidence. If in fact our blockers are downfield at inappropriate times during pass plays, that should be policed. I would imagine that damn near every one of us who's ever played on the offensive line in organized football knows that there are rules about this and those rules are very much intrinsic to the spirit of the game. Loosening them due to lax enforcement, if that is in fact happening, is not a good thing, in my opinion. The game is already lopsided in favor of the offense, again in my opinion. I had been wondering myself how the Run Pass Options can even work given how these rules are written, but I hadn't spent any time reviewing videos about this. Notwithstanding the merits of the complaint itself, I share the amusement at Broncos complaining about the rules and how they are enforced. There have been Bronco defenders in the past who did not understand that a receiver can and should block defensive backs on pass plays.
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