Andy's Presser and Play calling

[tooge]

Great game. I'm very encouraged moving forward with this team. Lost on the road, by 3 pts, to one of the best offenses in the league. And, had a chance to end it with a dropped INT and a drive with 1:50 to go. I'll take it.

However, Andy Reid mentioned he could've called better plays in the game, and I couldn't agree more. Particularly on the second from last drive. Chiefs get the ball back with 1:50 to go, down by 3 and all 3 timeouts, Rams have none. They get the ball to the 45 ish with a pass to Tyreek with about 1:20 left if I remember correctly, and still 3 timeouts and the clock stopped. They need maybe 20 yards to be in FG range, but obviously want a TD for the win.

Next play is the play where Mahomes is hit as he throws and it's picked by Peters. When the strength of the defense is the D line and it's rush, why not use the screen, draw, WR screens, bubbles, etc to work down the field instead of having Mahomes drop back with nothing but slow developing plays? I'm guessing that's what Andy is talking about. I know, you can second guess anything, but I was watching and thinking, don't try to get it all right here. Next play, game over. Frustrating. I'd think having Hunt in the mix at the end, with high percentage passes would have been the way to go rather than 5-7 step drop plays. Anyhow, great game. Chiefs gonna end up 14-2 with HVA throughout.

[KChiefs1]

Originally Posted by KILLER_CLOWN

That playcall on the interception 2nd to last drive was horrible, their was zero reason for a homerun. We needed 10 yard chunks taking all the time off the clock as we scored. It looked more like a hail mary than a regular play, no one within 20 yards of the los.

3 timeouts.
Ball on the LA 48.
1:28 left.
Why not run KHunt a few times there with the middle wide open?

OT should have been the worst outcome from that series.

[WhiteWhale]

Originally Posted by Iowanian

I refuse to listen to complaints about play calling when the Chiefs put 51 points on the board.

I'd be pleased to listen to discussion and comment about defensive decisions when the team gives up 54.

Yeah.

Those 5 turnovers had no impact on the 54 points scored.

They were all scored on long offensive drives... right?

[CupidStunt]

Ifs and buts. We lost another super-close game on the road in which, unquestionably, we were the 'unluckier' team - combining officiating, random "game of inches" plays here and there, the dropped pick, etc. Not an excuse, Rams deserved to win, it just is what it is. We were probably on the other side in that first Denver game.

The aspect everyone seems to forget is where the games are played. If we had any type of pattern of losing these close games to top teams at Arrowhead, I'd be worried. As it is, I couldn't be much more confident. ESPECIALLY playing the AFC where, while Brady and Ben are still great, we are far and away the best offensive team in the conference.

[CupidStunt]

We are the Vegas favorite to win the AFC and 3rd to win the SB behind obviously the Saints and Rams. Historically there's a lot of credence in that. The Pats have been the favorite to come out of the AFC most years. The Broncos were when they made it with Manning. I guess what I'm saying is that I'm simply not worried about anything right now, not in the grand scheme of things at least.

I could definitely complain about all kinds of things, mostly penalties right now. WTF.

[KChiefs1]

Not sure if this was worthy of its own thread but here it is....Chiefs face fork in the road.

https://theathletic.com/665712/2018/...f-caliber-foe/

Seth Keysor

The Kansas City Chiefs have a choice which path to head down following their 54-51 loss to the Rams at the Los Angeles Memorial Coliseum on Monday night.

To the right lies “Same Old, Same Old Boulevard,” where the Chiefs can tell themselves they should take pride in the fact that they took a Super Bowl contender to the wire on the road (the Rams on Monday night) despite wide receiver Sammy Watkins playing sparingly and All-Pro safety Eric Berry (still) unable to play. They can point out that the Rams needed some incredibly fluky plays and perhaps a bit of help from the gentlemen in the striped shirts to win an absolute barn burner of a game.

In fact, the Chiefs would be totally logical in thinking to themselves that the only two teams that have beaten them this year are Super Bowl contenders, both games were on the road, and the opponents had to play their best football to do it. It’s an absolutely true statement, and this 2018 Chiefs squad remains a wildly talented team that no team wants to play in the playoffs.

The left turn is a more difficult one.

It’s at “This Must Stop Avenue.” Down that road lies some starkly brutal truths, the most cruel of which is this: The Chiefs should be undefeated right now, and they have no one to blame but themselves.

The problem isn’t a lack of talent. Almost the opposite: The Chiefs are so talented that they can make multiple mistakes and still win the vast majority of their games. They’re so good that they can lose the turnover battle, 2-0, to New England and still almost walk out a winner. They’re so good that they can turn the ball over five times Monday and take a great Rams team to the absolute limit. And that’s sort of the problem when it comes to forks in the road like this one: When you know you’re already great, it’s tough to acknowledge that you could be greater.

On Monday night against the Rams, much like the Sunday night game in New England earlier in the season, the Chiefs looked like the better team for much of the night. Yet, in both cases, they still lost. And in both cases, mental mistakes, a lack of discipline and self-inflicted errors were the primary culprit.

Perhaps you’ve heard this old expression: They didn’t win, we lost. It sounds like sour grapes, but in the case of the Chiefs’ pair of heartbreaking losses, it holds quite true. That was especially the case Monday evening, when the Chiefs had the opportunity to seize a commanding lead and put the game away multiple times, and fumbled (sometimes literally, sometimes metaphorically) chances away.

A few examples:

After the defense forced a fumble and then a punt on back-to-back possessions in the second quarter, giving the offense a chance to extend a 17-16 lead, star quarterback Patrick Mahomes — yes, it’s OK to use that term for him now — was hit from behind by Rams star defensive tackle Aaron Donald, which resulted in a returned fumble for a touchdown.
The Chiefs started the second half with the ball in a tie game, only to have Donald force another fumble. This time, the Chiefs had the opportunity to recover the ball, but left guard Cam Erving tried to pick it up instead of falling on it and the Rams recovered it. The Chiefs would’ve had 2nd and long but still could have been in field-goal range.
After the Chiefs reclaimed the lead, 44-40, in the fourth quarter, the defense was no match against the Rams’ offense and the lead was lost in six plays.
Cornerback Orlando Scandrick had a chance to seal the game with just more than two minutes left, but this happened.

The Rams were out of timeouts at this point, so had Scandrick merely hung on to the interception, the Chiefs would have been able to bleed almost the entire remaining game clock. Instead, the Rams scored shortly thereafter. Mahomes then threw an interception on a 1st-and-10 play on the Rams’ 49-yard-line when he needlessly tried to rifle the ball despite pressure looming. The resulting throw after his arm was hit landed squarely in the arms of former Chiefs Pro Bowler Marcus Peters.

Those missed opportunities don’t comprise the entirety of the chances the Chiefs didn’t take advantage of, yet they still almost managed to pull a win out of thin air with nothing but pure talent and good coaching.

And make no mistake, the Chiefs are that talented. They feature a murderer’s row of talent on offense and have enough juice in the pass rush defensively to force opponents into turning the ball over. That’s a Super Bowl-winning combination if utilized correctly, and even if the Chiefs continue to shoot themselves in the foot, they still have a great chance at winning multiple playoff games. They’re that good.

Mahomes’ game against the Rams was, in many ways, a microcosm of where the Chiefs currently find themselves. Mahomes made several crucial mistakes and also dealt with a little bad luck on his way to five turnovers, an absolutely unacceptable number for a franchise quarterback. Yet he was so brilliant on his way to 478 passing yards and six touchdowns that it very nearly didn’t matter. His talent was an eyelash away from covering the self-inflicted wounds. That is the 2018 Kansas City Chiefs in a nutshell. The talent is so overwhelming that they can overcome their own mistakes the vast majority of the time and still be wildly successful.

Which brings us back to the fork in the road. The Chiefs are good, arguably the best team in Kansas City since 2003. But they can be better. Much better. This is a team that has the talent to go all the way. And the biggest barrier to preventing this isn’t the Los Angeles Rams. It isn’t Tom Brady and the Patriots, or the Saints and their high-flying offense.

No, the biggest barrier the Chiefs face right now is tripping over their own feet and waiting for their talent to bail them out. They need to realize that now. They can cut back the missed opportunities and grind their way to an AFC championship or even Super Bowl win. Or they can continue to rely on talent alone and see their season end following another action-packed, entertaining loss.

[007]

Originally Posted by Shogun

Agreed. But 21 of those points werent his defenses fault.

30 points given up is still unacceptable.

[-King-]

Originally Posted by 007

30 points given up is still unacceptable.

Holding the Rams under their average would be acceptable.
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[Simply Red]

Originally Posted by buddha

�� Of the complaints related to Mahomes go to the patchwork offensive line. The Rams pass rush is better than our pass pro. The Chiefs are at least even with the Rams when we ran the ball... Andy needed to stick with the running game.

we're better than the Rams - If you don't see that - I can't help ya.

[RunKC]

Originally Posted by KChiefs1

3 timeouts.
Ball on the LA 48.
1:28 left.
Why not run KHunt a few times there with the middle wide open?

OT should have been the worst outcome from that series.

Andy always goes full reerun in these situations. That legitimately worries me for January because Mahomes is going to go for it all if given the playcall to do so. The INT play design was so incredibly dumb.

Just a ****ing terrible playcall. Pure idiocy.

[rabblerouser]

Originally Posted by RunKC

Andy always goes full reerun in these situations. That legitimately worries me for January because Mahomes is going to go for it all if given the playcall to do so. The INT play design was so incredibly dumb.

Just a ****ing terrible playcall. Pure idiocy.

Andy went Full Reidtard, as he has a tendency to do in these situations.

It's why he's been this generation's Marty Schottenheimer.

[rabblerouser]

Originally Posted by Blick

Yep, at least against a team like that. Both of Donald's strip sacks came against empty sets. One with Kelce coming in motion to fake a handoff. That should be Tyreek or Hunt on the fake.

Erving also needed help early and often and that's on coaching to provide it.

Those play action deep passes that call for Kelce to block a pass rusher one on one are dangerous and hurt us as well.

The 2nd to last drive should have looked more like the last drive. We had the time and the timeouts remaining to chip away in the middle of the field.

Also could have involved Hunt a lot more. I'm surprised we didn't call more screens to help neutralize Donald and their aggressive pass rush.

So much all of this.

[RunKC]

I'm gonna guess Andy Reid would like this playcall back.

This is pretty aggressive down 3 from the 49 with 1:28 left and three timeouts. pic.twitter.com/XtGFSo5Y7T

— Clay W. (name withheld) (@ClayW. (name withheld)) November 20, 2018

Embarrassingly bad playcall here. Andy went full Reidtard. Let’s review:

-Not a single intermediate route in the middle of the goddamn field against the best pass rusher in football who has killed you all night holding the ball. Did we not learn that long developing plays can’t happen against this team? Why in this situation? If Conley’s route simply breaks across the field around the first down marker instead of continuing to go downfield, Pat most likely throws it earlier to a wide open receiver.
-Conley beats his man but his route goes toward the other receivers route is (Robinson?).
-why the **** are we going for it all on 1st down at the LA 48 with 1:28 left in the game and all of our timeouts? Wtf Andy?
-Watkins is already out of the game and you effectively took Kelce out of the play too as a blocker while having Kareem be an option in the flat instead of an intermediate option.

Pure, dumbfounding unapologetic bullshit. That INT isn’t on Mahomes. It’s on ****ing Andy.

[-King-]

Originally Posted by RunKC

I'm gonna guess Andy Reid would like this playcall back.

This is pretty aggressive down 3 from the 49 with 1:28 left and three timeouts. pic.twitter.com/XtGFSo5Y7T

— Clay W. (name withheld) (@ClayW. (name withheld)) November 20, 2018

Embarrassingly bad playcall here. Andy went full Reidtard. Let’s review:

-Not a single intermediate route in the middle of the goddamn field against the best pass rusher in football who has killed you all night holding the ball. Did we not learn that long developing plays can’t happen against this team? Why in this situation? If Conley’s route simply breaks across the field around the first down marker instead of continuing to go downfield, Pat most likely throws it earlier to a wide open receiver.
-Conley beats his man but his route goes toward the other receivers route is (Robinson?).
-why the **** are we going for it all on 1st down at the LA 48 with 1:28 left in the game and all of our timeouts? Wtf Andy?
-Watkins is already out of the game and you effectively took Kelce out of the play too as a blocker while having Kareem be an option in the flat instead of an intermediate option.

Pure, dumbfounding unapologetic bullshit. That INT isn’t on Mahomes. It’s on ****ing Andy.

Wow. That INT is 100% on Mahomes now that I see that angle. Conley is wide open. You can complain that Reid was too aggressive, but that doesn't change that Conley was wide open and Mahomes hung on the ball too long allowing his arm to get hit.
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[-King-]

Shit, there are THREE people covering Robinson of all people. Why was Mahomes trying to throw there of all places? If Mahomes throws to Conley then worst case scenario is that we run 3 more plays and have to settle for a tying field goal.
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[rabblerouser]

Originally Posted by -King-

Shit, there are THREE people covering Robinson of all people. Why was Mahomes trying to throw there of all places? If Mahomes throws to Conley then worst case scenario is that we run 3 more plays and have to settle for a tying field goal.
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He probably WAS trying to hit Conley; the defender hit his arm, causing the throw to hang high, short, and wide of the intended target.