Chiefs I think I have figured out the perfect FA and draft plan for the defense - Page 3

Buckweath · 02:42 PM

Here it goes.

FA

You sign a top notch FA safety (Thomas, Collins or Amos) for multiple years and a good DT (McCoy, Richardson, Suh, etc.) for a one-year or two-year contract. You can also sign other players on offense and defense on cheap deals.

Draft

1st round: CB

2nd round: ILB and C/G

3rd round: CB

You restructure Houston. You tag Ford. You trade a 2020 2nd round pick for Patrick Peterson or a lower pick for a decent veteran player who has a year or two left on his contract. I guess you could sign instead a FA CB on a one-year deal.

You end up with:

Houston-Nnadi-Jones-Ford

O'Daniel-Hitchens-2nd round LB

Peterson-Collins-Berri-1st round CB (Fuller in the slot)

You have Speaks and Kpassagnon as backup at DE. You have your FA DT rotating with Nnadi/Jones.

With the Hithens contract, I just don't think you can afford paying big dollars to a FA LB. Plus, recent drafts have showed that you can have a good LB late 2nd round/early 3rd round (Anzalone, Carter, Warner, Cunningham, etc.) and those guys are good early.

The linebackers would be the weakest group but I think they can be decent, especially if Hitchens goes back to his Cowboys' form.

The secondary would be a strong group. Even if Berri doesn't play, you have Watts or Murray (I know he is poor) who can play there. You have Ward and a 3rd round pick as backup CBs. I guess that 3rd round pick could be a safety but I would rather get a CB. If Berri doesn't play, Veach needs to find a scrap heap safety like Dorsey did so well.

I think it would be a defense set up for the next two years where you can draft a 1st round DE in 2020 to replace Houston/Ford or something like that.

Fire away! SB here we come.

What do you think?

T-post Tom · 02-13-2019, 04:25 PM

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Originally Posted by The Franchise

Trade our 2019 1st round pick and a future 2020 pick (3rd to 4th range) for Jalen Ramsey.

Ramsey's contract ends after 2019. We'd be trading a first round and other picks for a one year player unless we extend or franchise tag him. Not going to happen with other signings coming up. Top 5 CBs are commanding about $14M -$15M a year right now. Ramsey will probably want more than that. I'm guessing the Chiefs go CB in 1st round, whether they stay put at 29 or move up. Good move if they can get a starter on a rookie contract with a 5th yr option.

VAGOMO 4 LIFE! · 02-13-2019, 04:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Buckweath

Yeah I dont get how some fans mention tagging and trading Ford when anyone who has a clue knows it is not happening.

Veach has pretty much said it clearly that they are counting on him to play for this defense next year.

Exactly!

Chris Meck · 02-13-2019, 04:29 PM

i posted this a week or two ago.Tag and trade Ford-receive GB's #30 pick, Roger is 35. They're going all in to get back in the hunt immediately.

Houston, Berry, Sorensen- (Dirty Dan any time, doesn't matter.) June 1 cuts free up: $27.7

2019 cap room: Spotrac estimates $36 million. I've seen $44 and as low as $28 so I'm taking the median.

I re-sign: Sherman, Butker, Allen, Devey, West, Lucas. roughly $11 million total.

FA:
I sign Landon Collins, SS to a 5 year deal at $9.4 per. He'll be 30 when the deal is up.

I sign KJ Wright to a 3 year deal at $7 million per. He's 30, coming off an injury season so that's about right. A leader on field, plays SAM. Seahawks will move on.

I sign Chris Long to a 2 year deal at $3 million per. Veteran stop gap, high leadership quality, still had 7 sacks in 2018.

Draft: Chiefs have #29, #30, #61, #64, #92 in first 3 rounds, no 4th, plus 5, 6, 7.

#29 Jaylon Ferguson, DE/Edge, Lousiana Tech
#30 Deandre Baker, CB, Georgia
#61, Rock Ya-Sin, CB, Temple. Spags likes CB's early and often.
#64 CJ Conrad, TE, Kentucky. Reid gets a new toy with a #2 TE that can actually catch the ball. Hey, he blocks, too! What do you know.
#92 Erik McCoy, OC, Texas A&M. competes with Reiter day 1 to start.
#156, Joe Gaziano, DT, Northwestern. solid pass rusher, high motor guy.
#187 D'Cota Dixon, S, Wisconsin. Ball hawking FS.
#192 Porter Gustin, OLB, USC. Future SAM prospect.

with the June 1 savings, I extend Jones and Hill.

Collins, Jones, and the young guys are the future of the defense. Long and Wright add strong leadership, mentoring the young guys, have been leaders on strong defenses and still have a little left in the tank.
CB-Baker, Fuller, Ya-Sin, Ward (now a killer corps)
at S, Collins, Lucas, Watts, and Dixon is real solid and versatile.
LB corps with Hitchens, O'Daniel and Wright looks good.
D-line, Long rotates with Ferguson at RDE, Jones, Nnadi, Gaziano looks good inside, Speaks/Kpass at LDE is solid.

Added a C and a nice TE for Reid to play with.

And it would all fit under the cap. Most importantly, I didn't do anything to screw the team cap-wise in the future. Reasonable deals and as long as we draft well, we're in the hunt every year.

*I used Spotrac's market estimations for all FA deals.

Skyy God · 02-13-2019, 04:32 PM

Chris Long isn’t a FA, for the record.

Chief Pagan · 02-13-2019, 04:48 PM

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Originally Posted by TambaBerry

you have to look at current cap hit which isnt that much but probably along the lines of 6-7 million for those three and a collins for probably be right at 10 million a year. Berrys terrible contract will eventually stop hurting so much. These things can be done. Look what the rams did last year

I'm far more interested to find out what the Rams do in the next several years. If those contracts don't come back to bite them, then, and only then, will I believe that is a good model.

The rams went all-in for one year. KC should have a longer horizon.

Chris Meck · 02-13-2019, 04:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Cave Johnson

Chris Long isn’t a FA, for the record.

I'd read he was expected to be.

Nightfyre · 02-13-2019, 04:53 PM

We need to bring in Paradis and Collins in FA, imo. I love the Idea of adding Patrick Peterson though. It may cost more than a late second though.

TambaBerry · 02-13-2019, 04:58 PM

Bottom line is if we tag Ford and keep him we can't do shit in free agency, that means Houston would have to be cut to get his 14 million cap space back.

Chris Meck · 02-13-2019, 05:07 PM

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Originally Posted by TambaBerry

Bottom line is if we tag Ford and keep him we can't do shit in free agency, that means Houston would have to be cut to get his 14 million cap space back.

You can't keep them both.

I'd prefer to not keep either and seek budget FA's elsewhere as short term plugs.

**New World Order** · 02-13-2019, 05:21 PM

Cut Houston and flip a second for AJ Bouye

Draft Mack Wilson, ILB Alabama

Sign an impact safety like Amos or Earl Thomas

Sign a solid pass rusher/run defender

Buckweath · 02-13-2019, 05:22 PM

Yeah let's get rid of two of the 3 players who gave this team a top 5 pass rush last year.

And those who say that would be the first ones complaining about the lack of pass rush next year.

I cant believe how some are taking that pass rush for granted.

If Ford and Houston leave, I guarantee that the passrush will be worse next year and maybe a lot worse.

Ford was great last year. He will be playing for this team next year and I'm just as ecstatic as Veach about that.

Kiimo · 02-13-2019, 05:29 PM

It's some seriously optimistic thinking to just pencil in Speaks as a starter when he hasn't done jack on the field yet.

Wishful thinking. You can say "I hope he's as good as we thought and he can start". I agree with that. But saying he's the starter? WHY? Other than that's what you hope for.

Chris Meck · 02-13-2019, 06:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Kiimosabi

It's some seriously optimistic thinking to just pencil in Speaks as a starter when he hasn't done jack on the field yet.

Wishful thinking. You can say "I hope he's as good as we thought and he can start". I agree with that. But saying he's the starter? WHY? Other than that's what you hope for.

You have to assume that your young players improve and become players. It's not possible in the modern NFL to play any other way.

It's not true that Speaks didn't show anything. he showed pretty well as a pass rusher, and decent against the run. he looked bad at coverage, which he won't be asked to do anymore as a DE.

**Tribal Warfare** · 02-13-2019, 07:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Simply Red

Cap is overrated - when there are ways a team can structure.

Clark is the Finance chair, he laughs at the cap

pugsnotdrugs19 · 02-13-2019, 07:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Chris Meck

You can't keep them both.

I'd prefer to not keep either and seek budget FA's elsewhere as short term plugs.

Tough to get rid of both IMO when you’re the SB favorite.

02-13-2019, 02:33 PM
Buckweath Veteran Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: Quebec, Canada Casino cash: $9994975	I think I have figured out the perfect FA and draft plan for the defense Here it goes. FA You sign a top notch FA safety (Thomas, Collins or Amos) for multiple years and a good DT (McCoy, Richardson, Suh, etc.) for a one-year or two-year contract. You can also sign other players on offense and defense on cheap deals. Draft 1st round: CB 2nd round: ILB and C/G 3rd round: CB You restructure Houston. You tag Ford. You trade a 2020 2nd round pick for Patrick Peterson or a lower pick for a decent veteran player who has a year or two left on his contract. I guess you could sign instead a FA CB on a one-year deal. You end up with: Houston-Nnadi-Jones-Ford O'Daniel-Hitchens-2nd round LB Peterson-Collins-Berri-1st round CB (Fuller in the slot) You have Speaks and Kpassagnon as backup at DE. You have your FA DT rotating with Nnadi/Jones. With the Hithens contract, I just don't think you can afford paying big dollars to a FA LB. Plus, recent drafts have showed that you can have a good LB late 2nd round/early 3rd round (Anzalone, Carter, Warner, Cunningham, etc.) and those guys are good early. The linebackers would be the weakest group but I think they can be decent, especially if Hitchens goes back to his Cowboys' form. The secondary would be a strong group. Even if Berri doesn't play, you have Watts or Murray (I know he is poor) who can play there. You have Ward and a 3rd round pick as backup CBs. I guess that 3rd round pick could be a safety but I would rather get a CB. If Berri doesn't play, Veach needs to find a scrap heap safety like Dorsey did so well. I think it would be a defense set up for the next two years where you can draft a 1st round DE in 2020 to replace Houston/Ford or something like that. Fire away! SB here we come. What do you think? Last edited by Buckweath; 02-13-2019 at 02:42 PM..
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02-13-2019, 04:29 PM	#33
Chris Meck MVP Join Date: May 2001 Location: midtown KC Casino cash: $-1155090	i posted this a week or two ago.Tag and trade Ford-receive GB's #30 pick, Roger is 35. They're going all in to get back in the hunt immediately. Houston, Berry, Sorensen- (Dirty Dan any time, doesn't matter.) June 1 cuts free up: $27.7 2019 cap room: Spotrac estimates $36 million. I've seen $44 and as low as $28 so I'm taking the median. I re-sign: Sherman, Butker, Allen, Devey, West, Lucas. roughly $11 million total. FA: I sign Landon Collins, SS to a 5 year deal at $9.4 per. He'll be 30 when the deal is up. I sign KJ Wright to a 3 year deal at $7 million per. He's 30, coming off an injury season so that's about right. A leader on field, plays SAM. Seahawks will move on. I sign Chris Long to a 2 year deal at $3 million per. Veteran stop gap, high leadership quality, still had 7 sacks in 2018. Draft: Chiefs have #29, #30, #61, #64, #92 in first 3 rounds, no 4th, plus 5, 6, 7. #29 Jaylon Ferguson, DE/Edge, Lousiana Tech #30 Deandre Baker, CB, Georgia #61, Rock Ya-Sin, CB, Temple. Spags likes CB's early and often. #64 CJ Conrad, TE, Kentucky. Reid gets a new toy with a #2 TE that can actually catch the ball. Hey, he blocks, too! What do you know. #92 Erik McCoy, OC, Texas A&M. competes with Reiter day 1 to start. #156, Joe Gaziano, DT, Northwestern. solid pass rusher, high motor guy. #187 D'Cota Dixon, S, Wisconsin. Ball hawking FS. #192 Porter Gustin, OLB, USC. Future SAM prospect. with the June 1 savings, I extend Jones and Hill. Collins, Jones, and the young guys are the future of the defense. Long and Wright add strong leadership, mentoring the young guys, have been leaders on strong defenses and still have a little left in the tank. CB-Baker, Fuller, Ya-Sin, Ward (now a killer corps) at S, Collins, Lucas, Watts, and Dixon is real solid and versatile. LB corps with Hitchens, O'Daniel and Wright looks good. D-line, Long rotates with Ferguson at RDE, Jones, Nnadi, Gaziano looks good inside, Speaks/Kpass at LDE is solid. Added a C and a nice TE for Reid to play with. And it would all fit under the cap. Most importantly, I didn't do anything to screw the team cap-wise in the future. Reasonable deals and as long as we draft well, we're in the hunt every year. *I used Spotrac's market estimations for all FA deals.
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TambaBerry MVP Join Date: Jan 2013 Casino cash: $-1354459	Bottom line is if we tag Ford and keep him we can't do shit in free agency, that means Houston would have to be cut to get his 14 million cap space back.
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Buckweath Veteran Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: Quebec, Canada Casino cash: $9994975	Yeah let's get rid of two of the 3 players who gave this team a top 5 pass rush last year. And those who say that would be the first ones complaining about the lack of pass rush next year. I cant believe how some are taking that pass rush for granted. If Ford and Houston leave, I guarantee that the passrush will be worse next year and maybe a lot worse. Ford was great last year. He will be playing for this team next year and I'm just as ecstatic as Veach about that.
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Kiimo MVP Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Studio City, CA Casino cash: $2018742	It's some seriously optimistic thinking to just pencil in Speaks as a starter when he hasn't done jack on the field yet. Wishful thinking. You can say "I hope he's as good as we thought and he can start". I agree with that. But saying he's the starter? WHY? Other than that's what you hope for.
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