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Old 04-09-2019, 06:13 PM  
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Were the Chiefs trying to acquire Demarcus Lawrence?
This writer says so: https://www.arrowheadpride.com/platf...mpression=true

I'm telling you. Veach is trying to swing big and to be honest, he has no choice because of the SB aspirations next year.
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Old 04-10-2019, 07:44 AM   #31
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No way. He is soft. We would see another Justin Houston situation IMHO. Besides hasn't anybody learned anything about acquiring big name FAs and paying big $$? You rarely ever get the return on these guys. Belichek for all the hate he gets understands this rule. A player's best years are his first 5 after that they want paid and then playing hard becomes an option.
He paid Gilmore and was trying to trade for ODell and or AB.

Enough with this Belcheck shit. He pays guys when he wants them.
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No way. He is soft. We would see another Justin Houston situation IMHO. Besides hasn't anybody learned anything about acquiring big name FAs and paying big $$? You rarely ever get the return on these guys. Belichek for all the hate he gets understands this rule. A player's best years are his first 5 after that they want paid and then playing hard becomes an option.
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Dear God why? I would rather have paid Dee Ford.
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Clowney is overrated. No way should the Chiefs pay out the ass for that guy.
So do any of you guys need more reason to trade for him?
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Old 04-10-2019, 07:46 AM   #33
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He paid Gilmore and was trying to trade for ODell and or AB.

Enough with this Belcheck shit. He pays guys when he wants them.
No kidding. That narrative is so tired and played out, not to mention completely false.
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All we've heard about how this new scheme is this or that. Speaks was miscast as a OLB, now he's gonna be fine in this at DE, They're gonna run all these games etc.

Well, you know who's the ideal guy to play WDE?

Clowney.
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Old 04-10-2019, 08:20 AM   #35
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All we've heard about how this new scheme is this or that. Speaks was miscast as a OLB, now he's gonna be fine in this at DE, They're gonna run all these games etc.

Well, you know who's the ideal guy to play WDE?

Clowney.
Bingo.
But he is overrated and often times loses focus and does not play within the scheme. Also. early in his career, had issues seeing the field, but that really wasn't the case the past two seasons, especially last (contract) year. Sound familiar?

This would be a high risk high reward signing, but I'd do it IF the numbers worked. And what I mean by that is if he was not paid top tier $$$, but was just under that. I don't see any way he signs for anything less than top tier $$$. This is exactly why the Texans are having issues with his new contract now.
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Bingo.
But he is overrated and often times loses focus and does not play within the scheme. Also. early in his career, had issues seeing the field, but that really wasn't the case the past two seasons, especially last (contract) year. Sound familiar?

This would be a high risk high reward signing, but I'd do it IF the numbers worked. And what I mean by that is if he was not paid top tier $$$, but was just under that. I don't see any way he signs for anything less than top tier $$$. This is exactly why the Texans are having issues with his contract now.
The Texans haven't exactly used him as the key piece on defense, yet he's had back to back 10 sack seasons in a Crennel 3-4 front, where he's asked to help free up Watt.

His 2017 was just as good or better than 2018, so the whole contract year thing is a overblown.

He's a really good player. He's young and he's just hitting the prime of his career.
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Veach is an expert on almost getting a guy. How many times have we heard the same shit.

We kept the wrong guy. Ballard is clearly better.
Oh, I think we would have kept Ballard, but that wasn't an option at the time as he was already gone.

The question at the time was does KC keep Dorsey or Ballard...And at the time, the answer was Dorsey.
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The Texans haven't exactly used him as the key piece on defense, yet he's had back to back 10 sack seasons in a Crennel 3-4 front, where he's asked to help free up Watt.

His 2017 was just as good or better than 2018, so the whole contract year thing is a overblown.

He's a really good player. He's young and he's just hitting the prime of his career.
You're right again regarding how he is used. Crennel chooses to line him up all over the place - even inside at times, when he is clearly better outside. However, the whole contract thing is not overblown. You must consider the whole body of work and his knack for making Dee Ford knucklehead plays. He does it a LOT. That's why I pay him well, but not at the top for his position.
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The Chiefs have too many needs to trade (way) up. A short hop they can do. And, they don't have enough draft picks to trade for a great player-- and pay him-- and then fill the rest of their needs. I hope Veach trades back if anything. This is a deep enough draft to improve the team and keep money in reserve to make post-draft deals after cuts. I would take 2 low to mid first round picks for Jones in a heartbeat. No more Justin Houston/Eric Berry mega-contracts. That's for Mahomes. Mahomes isn't nearly as susceptible to injury.
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He paid Gilmore and was trying to trade for ODell and or AB.

Enough with this Belcheck shit. He pays guys when he wants them.
QB takes a discount and a shit load of his roster is literally filled with value players. This is why they are so good..

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The Chiefs have too many needs to trade (way) up. A short hop they can do. And, they don't have enough draft picks to trade for a great player-- and pay him-- and then fill the rest of their needs. I hope Veach trades back if anything. This is a deep enough draft to improve the team and keep money in reserve to make post-draft deals after cuts. I would take 2 low to mid first round picks for Jones in a heartbeat. No more Justin Houston/Eric Berry mega-contracts. That's for Mahomes. Mahomes isn't nearly as susceptible to injury.
I disagree.

If Clowney can be had for a 2nd round pick and a mid-low round pick, I'd be all for it.

With the possibility to release Watkins and Hitchens soon, I don't think cap space would be a problem moving forward.

You have then the making of a real strong Dline for a few years and also depth next year with Okafor, Kpassagnon, Williams and Ogbah.

You draft a CB in the 1st round, not necessarily needing to move up.

You draft a LB at the end of the 2nd round.

You still have next year's 2nd round pick to move up if needed.

Maybe do something to add a half decent safety and this defense would look great IMO.

With a strong Dline, I'd be comfortable with a CB quartet of Fuller-Breeland-Ward and a 1st round pick.

And they can draft a C/G in the 3rd round.
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It's gonna take 29 to get Clowney being that it would be the Texans trading him in the conference to a team they're gonna have to beat in the playoffs.
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He paid Gilmore and was trying to trade for ODell and or AB.

Enough with this Belcheck shit. He pays guys when he wants them.
Only on short deals. He doesn't pay the long term super money. This is what we should do with Jones and Hill. No longer than 3 years.
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It's gonna take 29 to get Clowney being that it would be the Texans trading him in the conference to a team they're gonna have to beat in the playoffs.
I'm afraid you are right.

Not giving that #29 overall pick but maybe next year's first.

I feel like the right compensation would be a 2nd plus mid-low round pick though.
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