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Old 04-18-2019, 09:31 AM   #1
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Old 04-18-2019, 02:11 PM   #2
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Royals made the right move at the right time? Say it ain't so, schmo.
Eh, they got outbid, fortunately.
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Old 04-18-2019, 02:03 PM   #3
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Royals were let off the hook. Hosmer would have played well in Boston with the monster
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Old 04-18-2019, 09:01 PM   #4
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Old 04-19-2019, 11:10 AM   #5
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Some deals just don't work out. It happens.

Other deals never had a snowballs chance in hell of working out.

The Hosmer deal is the latter. I never understood the idea that the guy was worth anything more than a 2-3 year deal for maybe $15 million/per. Ol' Boras snookered an owner yet again.

If you made every player in baseball a FA and allowed teams to do conversions to 1b and things of that nature, I don't imagine Hosmer would be one of the top 50 1b taken. Especially if you include the minors and start bringing in guys like Yordan Alvarez in Houston's system.

That contract was bad from the second it was signed, not unlike the Chris Davis or Dexter Fowler deals. Sometimes you see a contract and think 'damn, that's risky'. Other times you see a contract and just say "huh?". For every client that Boras has screwed over, he has a guy like Hosmer that he's made far FAR richer than he ever had any business being.
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Old 04-19-2019, 11:31 AM   #6
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Some deals just don't work out. It happens.

Other deals never had a snowballs chance in hell of working out.

The Hosmer deal is the latter. I never understood the idea that the guy was worth anything more than a 2-3 year deal for maybe $15 million/per. Ol' Boras snookered an owner yet again.

If you made every player in baseball a FA and allowed teams to do conversions to 1b and things of that nature, I don't imagine Hosmer would be one of the top 50 1b taken. Especially if you include the minors and start bringing in guys like Yordan Alvarez in Houston's system.

That contract was bad from the second it was signed, not unlike the Chris Davis or Dexter Fowler deals. Sometimes you see a contract and think 'damn, that's risky'. Other times you see a contract and just say "huh?". For every client that Boras has screwed over, he has a guy like Hosmer that he's made far FAR richer than he ever had any business being.

I disagree with every bit of that.

Hoz was coming of a 4.1 win season age 28, when he became a FA. He was 4th in the AL in obp (behind guys named Trout, Judge, Altuve). He hit 25 jacks with a swing carrying tons of untapped power potential. He never misses time. He can run well. Teammates and coaches love him.

To suggest that was only worth 2-3 years at 15/per is nothing but revisionist history.
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Old 04-19-2019, 11:52 AM   #7
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I disagree with every bit of that.

Hoz was coming of a 4.1 win season age 28, when he became a FA. He was 4th in the AL in obp (behind guys named Trout, Judge, Altuve). He hit 25 jacks with a swing carrying tons of untapped power potential. He never misses time. He can run well. Teammates and coaches love him.

To suggest that was only worth 2-3 years at 15/per is nothing but revisionist history.
Except that I said it at the time. There was nothing in that high-maintenance, low loft swing of his (or his track record) to suggest that his 2017 season was likely to be the norm going forward. If you're projecting you're looking at a 20 HR 1b w/ solid OBP skills and mediocre defense.

So, what, a slightly better version of Justin Bour? Bour got non-tendered and took a 1 year, $2.5 million deal just to find a place to play. The only meaningful distinction between Bour and Hosmer is that Hosmer makes more contact. But Bour hits for a lot more power. Hosmer makes more contact because he has a slappy mess of a swing that avoids Ks in favor of slowly hit groundballs. That's not exactly an ideal trade off.

'Revisionist history' says he's worth a minor league deal with a spring training invite. Giving him 3/$45 would've STILL been overpaying based on what he's provided.

And no, there's no chance he'd have ever had to settle for that because there's always a team or two willing to bite on Boras's voodoo. But that doesn't mean that the contract wasn't doomed to fail from the start - it absolutely was.
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Old 04-19-2019, 12:41 PM   #9
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Old 05-03-2019, 02:25 PM   #10
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Trade Retrospective: Royals trade Wil Myers to the Rays for James Shields & Wade Davis

In one of the most famous trades of the decade, one would be hard-pressed to find a similar lopsided trade with such surprising results.

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Trade Retrospective: Royals trade Wil Myers to the Rays for James Shields & Wade Davis

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“This trade may have been essential for the Royals winning the World Series, but it was still a bad trade.”
LOL - what?
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No Shit....We won the ****ing World Series......It was a great trade.
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