Football No New CBA Without an 18-Game Season? - Page 3

Mecca · 07-24-2019, 04:58 AM

https://www.si.com/nfl/2019/07/23/nf...18-game-season

By ANDREW BRANDT July 23, 2019
Before getting to the column, a note about how I spend my birthday last Friday: sitting for the NFLPA agent exam to gain certification to represent NFL players. As part of my partnership with Gary Vaynerchuk and Vayner Sports, I agreed to become certified. And the room of wannabe agents was full of “my people,” many commenting that they studied for the exam in part by reading this space and listening to my podcasts (all the more pressure for me to pass with flying colors). There were about 220 aspiring agents attempting to join the current registered group of roughly 800. My sense is that the pass rate will be low, perhaps under 50%, as the NFLPA would like to cull the herd. Regardless, there will be more agents (including me).

On to the column …

CBA? Only if 18 games
My wish that the NFL and NFLPA move on CBA negotiations appears to have been answered. Reports indicate that talks are happening, even with some momentum. Parallel reports have the NFL raising the issue of a potential 18-game season, with predictable pushback from the union. While the 18-game season will draw much debate, I don’t know see how a CBA is negotiated without it.

Negotiations, by necessity, require concessions by both sides, and each party’s strategy of having “gives” in their arsenal to achieve “gets.” The NFLPA ’s wish list for “gets” would include, but is not be limited to:

(1) Improved revenue split from approximately 47% of league revenues (after having roughly 50% in the prior CBA);|
(2) Improved minimum team spending thresholds and timing windows, above the current 89% threshold, which is only inspected every four years;
(3) Shortened rookie contracts: from five years to four for first-round players; four years to three for other picks, to allow earlier free agency gains;
(4) The end of or limitations on the franchise tag;
(5) The end of or limitations on the commissioner’s power over personal conduct;
(6) The end of or limitations on discipline for marijuana use;
(7) The meaningful sharing of new revenues associated with legalized gambling.

This wish list is great, but raises the question: What, exactly, is the NFLPA going to offer the NFL to achieve any of these desired outcomes? I can’t think of a single thing, except … 18 games. With the NFLPA giving up many concessions in 2011, this is the only paved path to a new CBA.

What if, say, the NFLPA agrees to an 18-game season in return for the players’ revenue share going up two percentage points, from 47% to 49%? These two points would not only, over the life of the deal, move billions of dollars from the owners’ side to the players’ side, but also give the players 49% (not 47%) of the incremental revenue from two extra games per season. There is no other “give” the NFLPA has that is nearly as valuable.

I always say two things about a multi-issue negotiation such as this: (1) Everything’s negotiable, and (2) Nothing is agreed to until everything is agreed to. This CBA negotiation will definitely be complicated, as the NFL is still looking for even more “gets”—such as further stadium credits—even after extracting what it did in 2011. But for the NFLPA to get any meaningful wins from the league in this CBA negotiation, the 18-game season is their paramount “give.”

Sure, there’s NFLPA pushback (we don’t expect them to say “Sure!”). And yes, adding two meaningful games flies in the face of the league’s stated priority of making the game safer. However, the business of sports always wins.

Melvin Gordon’s uphill climb
As an advocate for players being properly valued for their services, I feel for Melvin Gordon (and all NFL running backs) in his pursuit of an upgraded contract and his consequent holdout threat. But he is fighting a losing battle.

NFL running backs are stuck in a system that, because of the position’s short shelf life, works against them. Prime earning years for running backs are before and during their undervalued rookie contracts. All of those unpaid carries that Gordon had at Wisconsin, or that Ezekiel Elliott had at Ohio State, worked well in getting those players drafted high, but will lead to diminishing returns on future income. For what other position do we discuss “tread on the tire”? Query this: Does production early in a running back’s career actually help his drive for a new contract or hurt it?

Gordon and his agent are trying to get that one big contract of his career—and running backs only get one, if that—now, as opposed to waiting for an uncertain marketplace after this season. The past year Le’Veon Bell was able to negotiate with all NFL teams and only found one, the Jets, bidding for his services, and the league’s highest-paid running back, Todd Gurley, was seamlessly replaced by journeyman C.J. Anderson down the stretch for the Rams. Some NFL teams are not only reluctant to reward a productive running back with a third contract, but even hesitant to hand out a second one!

Although it would never happen, the NFL draft eligibility rule that requires players to be three years removed from high school should really be amended to exclude running back. Those players need their own union; their plight is that much different from other positions.

Melvin Gordon may have very good reasons to have his contract upgraded. He just plays the wrong position to have any leverage to do so.

Tyreek Hill and the limited shelf life of outrage
The NFL’s decision not to discipline Tyreek Hill is a case study for the changing nature of the league’s personal conduct policy and how the luxury of time can tame the social media mob.

There was no video of Hill (as there was with Ray Rice, who was suspended indefinitely, and Hill’s former teammate Kareem Hunt, who was given an eight-game suspension), but there were reports of disturbing audio. Once those reports surfaced, the Twitter crowd mobilized, demanding Hill’s release and speculating that, like Rice, he would never play football again. Both the NFL and the Chiefs resisted the urge to act, and the outrage, even from Twitter, was unsustainable.

Now, the reaction to HIll’s non-discipline is muted compared to the pitchforks that came out when the audio comments were reported. It is a lesson for all businesses, especially the NFL: Outrage is inevitable, but so is that outrage being replaced by outrage over something else. (This, of course, is something the Tweeter-In-Chief knows very well).

Ultimately, the problem with commissioner discipline regarding domestic violence is not that it is too harsh (post-video Rice, Hunt, Ezekiel Elliott); nor is it that it is too soft (pre-video Rice, Hill). Rather, it is too arbitrary.

Transparency breeds trust; if the NFL had clear and public criteria for discipline—or lack thereof—it would be much better served in the court of public opinion.

What I want to add to this is if you really think about it, 18 games paves the way for them to expand to 36 teams. More games and expansion are really the only viable ways left for them to increase profit.

displacedinMN · 07-24-2019, 08:00 AM

4.5 hour games

-King- · 07-24-2019, 08:03 AM

Yeah the title needs to be changed to reflect that this is an opinion piece and an opinion piece only

Dunerdr · 07-24-2019, 08:04 AM

two half times.. fr tho move jacksonville, tampa, the chargers, to currently unused makets. the same number of teams in markets who give a shit is better for the league than watered down markets with less talent.

Mecca · 07-24-2019, 08:08 AM

The Chargers are in LA till like 2040...

lcarus · 07-24-2019, 08:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

It's where they are....there are markets without teams that would draw.

Do you think Oklahoma City would be a good enough market? They've supported an NBA team well.

displacedinMN · 07-24-2019, 08:12 AM

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Originally Posted by lcarus

Do you think Oklahoma City would be a good enough market? They've supported an NBA team well.

But I do not think they can support an NBA and NFL team.
Try putting another team in GB and see what happens.

As I read this, it sounds snarky, it does not mean to be.

Mecca · 07-24-2019, 08:17 AM

Green Bay is tiny, that isn't a good example.

For example, Austin Texas has a lot of the same optics that Nashville has, it's growing at a huge rate, that would be a good place.

But other than that there are several other good sized markets, Portland is the 22nd market and has 1 team.

BlackOp · 07-24-2019, 08:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

(7) The meaningful sharing of new revenues associated with legalized gambling.

This should end well...

Dunerdr · 07-24-2019, 08:21 AM

i think okc would be a good market its got tulsa 1.5 hours or so away to help. i live outside tulsa and know alot of people who drive 2 plus hours for thunder games regularly. an okc franchise would simply have to draft an ou qb or similar stud and an oklahoma state player and these simpletons im surrounded by would flock to the stadium.

FAX · 07-24-2019, 08:35 AM

The Players' Association has other "gives" to offer the league.

How about a nice season-long strike?

FAX

**RealSNR** · 07-24-2019, 08:37 AM

What would that mean? Giving teams back to St. Louis, Oakland and San Diego?

Yeah, great. "Giving" teams to those places.

"Congratulations! You get an NFL team! Also, your asses are paying for this nice new billion-dollar stadium!!!! You won!"

**RealSNR** · 07-24-2019, 08:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mecca

Green Bay is tiny, that isn't a good example.

For example, Austin Texas has a lot of the same optics that Nashville has, it's growing at a huge rate, that would be a good place.

But other than that there are several other good sized markets, Portland is the 22nd market and has 1 team.

Portland Poopgas

Austin Assholes

Toronto Toe-suckers

Orlando Oral Sex

oldman · 07-24-2019, 08:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RunKC

They can’t even fill stadiums with a ton of teams they have now.

Chargers, Buccaneers, 49ers, Raiders, Dolphins, Jaguars. Nobody goes to see those teams.

What a disaster this would be

The Raiders will draw once they move to Lost Wages. That, in turn, will help the 40-Whiners. The Bucs and Jax have siphoned off a lot support for the Fins. Move either Jax or the Bucs. I'm pretty sure the Cowboys and Texans would fight any move into Texas. St. Louis doesn't deserve a team.

Mecca · 07-24-2019, 08:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FAX

The Players' Association has other "gives" to offer the league.

How about a nice season-long strike?

FAX

Unfortunately, most of the players can't deal with that, if dudes that have made 50+ million are kinda broke what do you think about the lowly paid guys?

Mecca · 07-24-2019, 08:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by oldman

The Raiders will draw once they move to Lost Wages. That, in turn, will help the 40-Whiners. The Bucs and Jax have siphoned off a lot support for the Fins. Move either Jax or the Bucs. I'm pretty sure the Cowboys and Texans would fight any move into Texas. St. Louis doesn't deserve a team.

Probably but the Texas population is huge, Houston and Dallas are both in the top 10 with the Austin market coming in in the 20s and San Antonio being right around 40 I believe.

07-24-2019, 04:58 AM
Mecca Hockey Town Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Kansas City, Missouri Casino cash: $1237050	No New CBA Without an 18-Game Season? https://www.si.com/nfl/2019/07/23/nf...18-game-season By ANDREW BRANDT July 23, 2019 Before getting to the column, a note about how I spend my birthday last Friday: sitting for the NFLPA agent exam to gain certification to represent NFL players. As part of my partnership with Gary Vaynerchuk and Vayner Sports, I agreed to become certified. And the room of wannabe agents was full of “my people,” many commenting that they studied for the exam in part by reading this space and listening to my podcasts (all the more pressure for me to pass with flying colors). There were about 220 aspiring agents attempting to join the current registered group of roughly 800. My sense is that the pass rate will be low, perhaps under 50%, as the NFLPA would like to cull the herd. Regardless, there will be more agents (including me). On to the column … CBA? Only if 18 games My wish that the NFL and NFLPA move on CBA negotiations appears to have been answered. Reports indicate that talks are happening, even with some momentum. Parallel reports have the NFL raising the issue of a potential 18-game season, with predictable pushback from the union. While the 18-game season will draw much debate, I don’t know see how a CBA is negotiated without it. Negotiations, by necessity, require concessions by both sides, and each party’s strategy of having “gives” in their arsenal to achieve “gets.” The NFLPA ’s wish list for “gets” would include, but is not be limited to: (1) Improved revenue split from approximately 47% of league revenues (after having roughly 50% in the prior CBA);\| (2) Improved minimum team spending thresholds and timing windows, above the current 89% threshold, which is only inspected every four years; (3) Shortened rookie contracts: from five years to four for first-round players; four years to three for other picks, to allow earlier free agency gains; (4) The end of or limitations on the franchise tag; (5) The end of or limitations on the commissioner’s power over personal conduct; (6) The end of or limitations on discipline for marijuana use; (7) The meaningful sharing of new revenues associated with legalized gambling. This wish list is great, but raises the question: What, exactly, is the NFLPA going to offer the NFL to achieve any of these desired outcomes? I can’t think of a single thing, except … 18 games. With the NFLPA giving up many concessions in 2011, this is the only paved path to a new CBA. What if, say, the NFLPA agrees to an 18-game season in return for the players’ revenue share going up two percentage points, from 47% to 49%? These two points would not only, over the life of the deal, move billions of dollars from the owners’ side to the players’ side, but also give the players 49% (not 47%) of the incremental revenue from two extra games per season. There is no other “give” the NFLPA has that is nearly as valuable. I always say two things about a multi-issue negotiation such as this: (1) Everything’s negotiable, and (2) Nothing is agreed to until everything is agreed to. This CBA negotiation will definitely be complicated, as the NFL is still looking for even more “gets”—such as further stadium credits—even after extracting what it did in 2011. But for the NFLPA to get any meaningful wins from the league in this CBA negotiation, the 18-game season is their paramount “give.” Sure, there’s NFLPA pushback (we don’t expect them to say “Sure!”). And yes, adding two meaningful games flies in the face of the league’s stated priority of making the game safer. However, the business of sports always wins. Melvin Gordon’s uphill climb As an advocate for players being properly valued for their services, I feel for Melvin Gordon (and all NFL running backs) in his pursuit of an upgraded contract and his consequent holdout threat. But he is fighting a losing battle. NFL running backs are stuck in a system that, because of the position’s short shelf life, works against them. Prime earning years for running backs are before and during their undervalued rookie contracts. All of those unpaid carries that Gordon had at Wisconsin, or that Ezekiel Elliott had at Ohio State, worked well in getting those players drafted high, but will lead to diminishing returns on future income. For what other position do we discuss “tread on the tire”? Query this: Does production early in a running back’s career actually help his drive for a new contract or hurt it? Gordon and his agent are trying to get that one big contract of his career—and running backs only get one, if that—now, as opposed to waiting for an uncertain marketplace after this season. The past year Le’Veon Bell was able to negotiate with all NFL teams and only found one, the Jets, bidding for his services, and the league’s highest-paid running back, Todd Gurley, was seamlessly replaced by journeyman C.J. Anderson down the stretch for the Rams. Some NFL teams are not only reluctant to reward a productive running back with a third contract, but even hesitant to hand out a second one! Although it would never happen, the NFL draft eligibility rule that requires players to be three years removed from high school should really be amended to exclude running back. Those players need their own union; their plight is that much different from other positions. Melvin Gordon may have very good reasons to have his contract upgraded. He just plays the wrong position to have any leverage to do so. Tyreek Hill and the limited shelf life of outrage The NFL’s decision not to discipline Tyreek Hill is a case study for the changing nature of the league’s personal conduct policy and how the luxury of time can tame the social media mob. There was no video of Hill (as there was with Ray Rice, who was suspended indefinitely, and Hill’s former teammate Kareem Hunt, who was given an eight-game suspension), but there were reports of disturbing audio. Once those reports surfaced, the Twitter crowd mobilized, demanding Hill’s release and speculating that, like Rice, he would never play football again. Both the NFL and the Chiefs resisted the urge to act, and the outrage, even from Twitter, was unsustainable. Now, the reaction to HIll’s non-discipline is muted compared to the pitchforks that came out when the audio comments were reported. It is a lesson for all businesses, especially the NFL: Outrage is inevitable, but so is that outrage being replaced by outrage over something else. (This, of course, is something the Tweeter-In-Chief knows very well). Ultimately, the problem with commissioner discipline regarding domestic violence is not that it is too harsh (post-video Rice, Hunt, Ezekiel Elliott); nor is it that it is too soft (pre-video Rice, Hill). Rather, it is too arbitrary. Transparency breeds trust; if the NFL had clear and public criteria for discipline—or lack thereof—it would be much better served in the court of public opinion. What I want to add to this is if you really think about it, 18 games paves the way for them to expand to 36 teams. More games and expansion are really the only viable ways left for them to increase profit.
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Mecca Hockey Town Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Kansas City, Missouri Casino cash: $1237050	Green Bay is tiny, that isn't a good example. For example, Austin Texas has a lot of the same optics that Nashville has, it's growing at a huge rate, that would be a good place. But other than that there are several other good sized markets, Portland is the 22nd market and has 1 team.
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Dunerdr MVP Join Date: Oct 2012 Casino cash: $-570000	i think okc would be a good market its got tulsa 1.5 hours or so away to help. i live outside tulsa and know alot of people who drive 2 plus hours for thunder games regularly. an okc franchise would simply have to draft an ou qb or similar stud and an oklahoma state player and these simpletons im surrounded by would flock to the stadium. __________________ Adopt-A-Chief- Rachel Santschi
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