LNBS: Did Reid force Dorsey out because he didn’t want to lose Veach

[staylor26]

I was explaining to a buddy how Veach was the guy that found Mahomes, and it got me thinking.

Dorsey was fired after Ballard was hired by the Colts, and the timing was weird. I don’t doubt that Dorsey’s issues were part of the reason as well, but something tells me Reid was scared to lose a guy who he knew had a special eye for talent and found his QB.

[Titty Meat]

We wouldnt have interviewed other candidates if this were true. OP is fake news.

[staylor26]

Originally Posted by RealSNR

Well, you can choose to believe him or not, but Clark said the timing was such that the new GM could be in place at the beginning of the college football season so that the following draft and offseason could work within the structure of the team without any kind of transition.

Man, you really don’t think Reid knew that Veach was this good and he was going to be the guy to replace Dorsey when they fired him?

If you want to say it was mostly because Dorsey was an asshole than fine, but you seem to think that Veach wasn’t always going to be that guy and I just don’t understand how you come to that conclusion. It’s clear that Reid saw something in Veach a long time ago and it was an inevitably.

[staylor26]

Originally Posted by Titty Meat

We wouldnt have interviewed other candidates if this were true. OP is fake news.

Teams are constantly interviewing as a formality. Have you never paid attention to HC/GM hiring processes?

Billay, get something right man. You can do it.

[VAGOMO 4 LIFE!]

Veach was always known to have a good eye for talent but no one truly knew how he would do as a GM. Not only is he great at finding talent but when he wants a player he gets him. When it comes to contracts and cap space he is light years better than Dorsey. He also seems very loose and fun to be around, I can’t say the same for Dorsey.

[staylor26]

Originally Posted by MAHOMO 4 LIFE!

Veach was always known to have a good eye for talent but no one truly knew how he would do as a GM. Not only is he great at finding talent but when he wants a player he gets him. When it comes to contracts and cap space he is light years better than Dorsey. He also seems very loose and fun to be around, I can’t say the same for Dorsey.

Nobody?

Not the guy that was having him find LeSean McCoy, DJax, Cox, etc. back when he was in Philly and far from a GM job?

Not the guy that got to see Pat for a year and knew that same guy found him the next great QB?

Reid’s clearly had trust in Veach’s eye for talent for a long time and it rewarded him with Patrick Mahomes. I think by the time he fired Dorsey, he knew exactly what he had in Veach. How the **** could he not?

[RunKC]

Originally Posted by staylor26

To the people saying it’s all because of Dorsey, why did they have to do it in June? There was no rush, the draft and everything was over. The odd timing is why I think it’s a combination of the two.

They don’t make that move in June without knowing they’re going to hire from within and keep it rolling. Not after they just drafted their franchise QB.

I heard this from my old boss whose family has been STH’s and “in the ‘in’ crowd”.

Dorsey was ****ing up badly and seemingly had everyone hating him for his own failures. He pissed off Berry and Houston bc he waited and also paid his own draft picks over Berry. He pissed off Clark bc Clark had to step in on the Berry deal. He also pissed off the scouts as reported by the Star. Clark’s evaluation saw that internal staff loathed Dorsey and he made rash decisions on his own by going rogue.

I think he would have been GM for the rest of the 2017 year if he didn’t finally piss off the one person who had his back. Andy vouched for Dorsey when he got here. Andy isn’t the kind of guy to give up on people, but Dorsey finally broke the camels back.

When he went rogue one last time and cut Maclin by voice mail, that was it. Keep in mind this happened like 2 or so weeks before Dorsey was let go. Not sure if I mentioned this or not, but the rumor was that Andy found out Maclin was cut from Maclin himself. Imagine being Andy and not knowing your friend that you hired cut a player you were close with by voicemail and he didn’t tell you? Also keep in mind Andy was just at Jeremy’s wedding a couple weeks prior.

Andy naturally called Clark and knew they decided that Dorsey was out and the kid that was close to Andy (Veach) had proven himself enough to get the job.

I honestly think had Dorsey not ****ed up with Maclin, he would have been fired in January 2018 bc of his ego and failures. He wasn’t gonna stop ****ing up.

[staylor26]

Originally Posted by RunKC

I heard this from my old boss whose family has been STH’s and “in the ‘in’ crowd”.

Dorsey was ****ing up badly and seemingly had everyone hating him for his own failures. He pissed off Berry and Houston bc he waited and also paid his own draft picks over Berry. He pissed off Clark bc Clark had to step in on the Berry deal. He also pissed off the scouts as reported by the Star. Clark’s evaluation saw that internal staff loathed Dorsey and he made rash decisions on his own by going rogue.

I think he would have been GM for the rest of the 2017 year if he didn’t finally piss off the one person who had his back. Andy vouched for Dorsey when he got here. Andy isn’t the kind of guy to give up on people, but Dorsey finally broke the camels back.

When he went rogue one last time and cut Maclin by voice mail, that was it. Keep in mind this happened like 2 or so weeks before Dorsey was let go. Not sure if I mentioned this or not, but the rumor was that Andy found out Maclin was cut from Maclin himself. Imagine being Andy and not knowing your friend that you hired cut a player you were close with by voicemail and he didn’t tell you? Also keep in mind Andy was just at Jeremy’s wedding a couple weeks prior.

Andy naturally called Clark and knew they decided that Dorsey was out and the kid that was close to Andy (Veach) had proven himself enough to get the job.

I honestly think had Dorsey not ****ed up with Maclin, he would have been fired in January 2018 bc of his ego and failures. He wasn’t gonna stop ****ing up.

I understand Dorsey was a complete dick, and I said from the beginning that I understand that was a huge factor.

But Reid knew he was dumping his GF for a hotter younger one. No doubt in my mind.

Again, both things can be true. Those kinds of decisions, especially being made right after you draft your franchise QB, aren’t made in a vacuum.

[Wilson8]

18 days between Dorsey firing and Veach becoming Chiefs GM.

https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/c...fire-their-gm/
From Thursday, Jun 22, 2017

After watching Andy Reid lead Kansas City to three playoff appearances during his first four years with the team, the Chiefs' front office has decided they'd like him to stick around a little bit longer.

The team announced Thursday that Reid has signed an extension, meaning he'll be in Kansas City for the foreseeable future. One person who won't be around, though, is general manager John Dorsey.

Less than 45 minutes after the team announced Reid's extension, the Chiefs surprisingly announced that Dorsey had been let go. Like Reid, Dorsey had a contract that was set to expire after the 2017 season.

"I notified John that we would not be extending his contract beyond the 2017 season, and after consideration, we felt it was in his best interests and the best interests of the team to part ways now," Chiefs Chairman and CEO Clark Hunt said in a statement. "This decision, while a difficult one, allows John to pursue other opportunities as we continue our preparations for the upcoming season and the seasons to come."

https://www.chiefs.com/team/front-of.../brett-veach-1

Brett Veach was named the seventh general manager in Kansas City Chiefs history on July 10, 2017. Veach enters his second season as an NFL general manager and his 12th year in the National Football League. He reports directly to Chiefs Chairman and CEO Clark Hunt on all player personnel matters. Prior to being elevated, he served as the Chiefs Co-Director of Player Personnel for two seasons. At 40 years old, Veach remains the youngest general manager in the NFL.

[staylor26]

It could be 14, 18, 22, I really don’t give a ****.

I remember that it was fully expected that Veach would be named GM and he was. They knew who they were going to hire before they even fired Dorsey. That’s all that matters.

[RunKC]

Originally Posted by staylor26

I understand Dorsey was a complete dick, and I said from the beginning that I understand that was a huge factor.

But Reid knew he was dumping his GF for a hotter younger one. No doubt in my mind.

Again, both things can be true. Those kinds of decisions, especially being made right after you draft your franchise QB, aren’t made in a vacuum.

Lot of things happened in one offseason. Veach found the QB everybody in the franchise loved, Dorsey was already in not water with Clark and then he finally ****ed up right before his contract was up.

I think Andy knew Veach was the future, but Dorsey’s dumbassery expedited tHe decision.

I think there were a lot of great things Veach did and didn’t get public credit for them. Wasn’t he our SEC scout? If so, would it really surprise anyone if Veach brought Chris Jones to the table early in the scouting process?

[Bob Dole]

Originally Posted by Titty Meat

We wouldnt have interviewed other candidates if this were true. OP is fake news.

Are you 8 years old?

[ThyKingdomCome15]

It was a highly criticized move at the time. I remember after the firing of Dorsey there was an article that stated Dorsey was a more qualified GM after departing from KC than when he was hired. That added fuel to the fire. But yeah, no ring without Veach.

[HemiEd]

Originally Posted by ChiliConCarnage

No, I still think it was an already unpleased attitude and how Maclin was handled.

Yeah, that is the event the broke the camels back the way I remember it Didn't he cut him via text or tweet?

[PAChiefsGuy]

Dorsey signed off on Mahomes, orchestrated the trade for him and also was Green Bay's director of college scouting when the Packers drafted Aaron Rodgers. So it's not like the guy didn't have an eye for QBs. Firing of Dorsey was more than likely a power play by Reid. Had nothing to do with Veach being this can't miss guaranteed to be great GM.

It obviously worked out but this is a ridiculous purely speculative theory by OP..

[RealSNR]

Originally Posted by staylor26

It could be 14, 18, 22, I really don’t give a ****.

I remember that it was fully expected that Veach would be named GM and he was. They knew who they were going to hire before they even fired Dorsey. That’s all that matters.

I hate to sound like Dane, but you're speculating.

It's a fun theory and all, but I don't buy it being the determining factor in letting go of Dorsey.