Day 1 - AFCW Thoughts

[Mile High Mania]

Ok, so Day 1 is done... what are your thoughts so far on how the AFCW teams drafted? Admittedly, I was unable to watch much college football last year, so I don't have much to add on some of these guys.

Chiefs:
R132 - RB, Clyde Edwards-Helaire (LSU)
Day 2 Picks - R2P31 / R3P32

Raiders:
R1P12 - WR, Henry Ruggs (AL)
R1P19 - CB, Damon Arnette (OH St)
Day 2 Picks - R3P16 / R3P17 / R3P27

Chargers:
R1P6 - QB, Justin Herbert (ORE)
R1P23 - LB, Kenneth Murray (OU)
Day 2 Picks - none

Broncos:
R1P15 - WR, Jerry Jeudy (AL)
Day 2 Picks - R2P14 / R3P13 / R3P19 / R3P31

I think the Chargers were trapped into taking Herbert there - maybe should have traded out. I like Murray, but they gave up a lot - they're SOL on Day 2. I can't really argue with the other picks by the Raiders or Chiefs - it's all value and who do you figure is better in your system.

Chiefs - I have no idea about which RB was the better option or if they would have fared better by taking Xavier or someone else.

Very glad Denver didn't have to move to get a WR - was holding out hope that Wirfs might make it to them, but that's how it rolls.

Denver needs a few things today, starting with OT/C... then they can look at DL, CB, would like to see a QB with last pick of R3 or in R4, depending on who is there. You can't invest in all these weapons and then not have someone viable if Lock gets hurt.

What are your thoughts on Day 1?

[Mile High Mania]

Really surprised at the price they paid for Murray.

[Buehler445]

Originally Posted by RealSNR

The Ruggs selection reminded me a little bit of Darrius Heyward-Bey from several years ago. Ruggs went further down in the draft and is probably going to be a better player, but it still had everybody going, "THAT'S the first WR taken in the draft?"

There are too many elite assets to what REALLY makes this Chiefs offense work. Tyreek Hill isn't just really fast-- he also tracks the ball in the air better than just about any other receiver in the league. Travis Kelce isn't just a big strong TE-- he does all of the little things to make his pass defenders miss-- he's just like a WR out there. And I'm not even going to talk about Patrick Mahomes and Andy Reid.

Yeah, you can get players you THINK are similar, but you're just not going to replicate this shit. The Raiders clearly think they can try to replicate it, and it's just going to fail.

It would be interesting to be in the room though. SURELY Mayock knows that. This sounds to me like someone standing on the table yelling this is our guy.

[Mecca]

Originally Posted by Mile High Mania

Really surprised at the price they paid for Murray.

That just made no sense. I like Murray the player but they need OT's so ****in bad.

[Mecca]

Originally Posted by Buehler445

It would be interesting to be in the room though. SURELY Mayock knows that. This sounds to me like someone standing on the table yelling this is our guy.

They are desperate to compete with the Chiefs and Gruden is friends with Reid and probably thinks speed is why he can't compete.

[RunKC]

Said this 2 weeks ago. Denver is building a good team. They did a mostly nice job in FA and now they got the best WR in the draft to go with a very good amount of weapons they drafted in recent years.

Add to the fact that they are likely going to get Cushenberry or Jones on the OL.

It all depends on Lock, but it’s hard to see him not looking really good with the weapons he now has and the coaching he has as well.

Remember that Pat Shurmur is an Andy Reid disciple. Daniel Jones looked solid as a rookie last year under that guys. Hell Shurmur made Case ****ing Keenum look awesome in 2017.

[Mile High Mania]

Originally Posted by Mecca

That just made no sense. I like Murray the player but they need OT's so ****in bad.

Yeah and there are viable LBs at the picks they gave up. The value just doesn’t add up, I’m sure the Patriots were more than pleased.

[carcosa]

My only thought is that it literally doesn't matter what the other three teams in the division do because Mahomes

[Mecca]

Originally Posted by RunKC

Said this 2 weeks ago. Denver is building a good team. They did a mostly nice job in FA and now they got the best WR in the draft to go with a very good amount of weapons they drafted in recent years.

Add to the fact that they are likely going to get Cushenberry or Jones on the OL.

It all depends on Lock, but it’s hard to see him not looking really good with the weapons he now has and the coaching he has as well.

Remember that Pat Shurmur is an Andy Reid disciple. Daniel Jones looked solid as a rookie last year under that guys. Hell Shurmur made Case ****ing Keenum look awesome in 2017.

Their ceiling is still probably wildcard early playoff loser though, Drew Lock is probably at best a mid tier QB.

[Mile High Mania]

Originally Posted by Mecca

Their ceiling is still probably wildcard early playoff loser though, Drew Lock is probably at best a mid tier QB.

Baby steps, I’ll take a playoff spot with consistent improvements. They have a nice young nucleus.

[Mecca]

Originally Posted by Mile High Mania

Baby steps, I’ll take a playoff spot with consistent improvements. They have a nice young nucleus.

I'm talking about that group if they develop, todays game, doesn't matter how good the supporting cast is, if you don't have one of the elite QB's you lose.

[Mile High Mania]

Originally Posted by Mecca

I'm talking about that group if they develop, todays game, doesn't matter how good the supporting cast is, if you don't have one of the elite QB's you lose.

We shall see... I think Lock has great upside, can easily be a top 10 QB consistently.

[lawrenceRaider]

Originally Posted by MahomesMagic

Broncos and Chiefs did the best.

Jerry Jeudy should have gone top 5..it was incredibly stupid of the Raiders to take Ruggs over him.

Chiefs just added a piece that Reid/Veach felt was missing to make a very good offense unstoppable.

Raiders failed passing on Jeudy. Ruggs is not a #1 but a good vertical #2 like a Will Fuller. But they made up for it with Arnette. I thought Arnette was the #2 CB in this class..better than soft CJ Henderson.

Chargers did the worst. Herbert is a smart game manager, doesn't have what it takes to be top 15 QB. Murray is talented but a terrible scheme fit for Chargers defense as he is terrible in zone coverage. Guess their 5 fans can get even more depressed.

Jerry Jeudy reminds me way too much of Amari Cooper. Drops too many balls at the absolute worst possible time. I wanted absolutely NOTHING to do with Jeudy. Seriously, look at JJ's drop stats. It isn't good. I was hoping we took Lamb at 12 if I'm honest, but I'm thrilled with Ruggs. Kid doesn't drop balls, and his athletic ability is better (yes faster too) than Hill's, and his hands are impeccable. Plus he is a few inches taller than Hill. We needed the deep threat, not another WR that defenses can sit on. He opens it up for our Elite TE and Elite RB.

[Mecca]

Originally Posted by lawrenceRaider

Jerry Jeudy reminds me way too much of Amari Cooper. Drops too many balls at the absolute worst possible time. I wanted absolutely NOTHING to do with Jeudy. Seriously, look at JJ's drop stats. It isn't good. I was hoping we took Lamb at 12 if I'm honest, but I'm thrilled with Ruggs. Kid doesn't drop balls, and his athletic ability is better (yes faster too) than Hill's, and his hands are impeccable. Plus he is a few inches taller than Hill. We needed the deep threat, not another WR that defenses can sit on. He opens it up for our Elite TE and Elite RB.

He isn't the quick twitch athlete Hill is, he doesn't start and stop like that......Ruggs upside is like Santana Moss.

[Mile High Mania]

They're all going to have flaws... and I think the top 7 WRs are all going to have pretty nice careers in the NFL.

[lawrenceRaider]

Originally Posted by Mecca

He isn't the quick twitch athlete Hill is, he doesn't start and stop like that......Ruggs upside is like Santana Moss.

You are wrong, but I suppose we'll find out. Ruggs had better measurements in all the quick twitch skills like the broad jump and vertical, and beat Hill's 40 time.

T. Hill (2016)
5'8 185lbs
Arms: 30.5" Hands 8.0"
40: 4.29 VJ: 40.5". BJ: 129"

Ruggs
5'11 188lbs
Arms 30.5" hands 10"
40 4.27 - VJ 42.0. - BJ 131.0

What really stands out to me is Hill's TINY hands. No wonder he has anger issues.