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Old 06-01-2021, 07:20 AM  
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Mahomes wants 20-0
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"The only record I have my eyes set on breaking, which would be new this year, would be going 20-0," Mahomes said. "It's not really a record to be broken I guess you would say—19-0 is the record right now—so being able to go 20-0 and being the first one to do that, that would be awesome."
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Old 06-01-2021, 10:23 AM   #31
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Do you remember the 18-1 Patriots with awe? Or do you remember them as a punchline of history up there with the Buffalo Bills losing four straight Super Bowls? As great teams who went so far but are more remembered for coming up short than they are for their historic accomplishments.

If your only goal is to make history regardless of the end result, then that too can be your fate.
Exactly.
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Old 06-01-2021, 10:24 AM   #32
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There are three 18-1 teams: 1984 49ers, 1985 Bears, and the 2007 Patriots. The first two actually won their Super Bowls
Correction. There are THREE teams that lost only one game. Still only one team that went 18-1. The 1985 Bears went 15-1. Nonetheless, your point remains. Pretty ****ing hard to do huh? What an achievement.
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Old 06-01-2021, 10:25 AM   #33
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20-0 doesn't interest me nearly as much as another Mahomes era Super Bowl victory. It's not a given, and as of right now Mahomes has exactly as many rings as Trent Dilfer.
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Old 06-01-2021, 10:26 AM   #34
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Who won the Super Bowl in 1971? How about 1973?
The 1971 (season) Super Bowl (played in 1972) was won by the Colts.

The 1973 (season) Super Bowl (played in 1974) was won by the Dolphins.
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Old 06-01-2021, 10:26 AM   #35
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Which only further demonstrates that the Super Bowl is by far more important.

People remember that 85 Bears team for the Super Bowl and its "shuffle".

Furthermore, the reason BWillie remember the Patriots and not the other two is because they LOST.

Which defeats his entire argument. LOL
I'm not saying the Super Bowl isn't important. But there are records that transcend sports. An undefeated regular season is one of them. I still remember the Jerry Tarkanian undefeated NCAA season, and I wasn't even of age to even remember it. People told me all about it later. No idea who won the NCAA Championship in 1994. If would be one thing if the Patriots that went 18-1 never won a Super Bowl during their dynasty, but they did. It wasn't as if they were the Bills. Nonetheless, what the Bills did was still a historical achievement.
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Old 06-01-2021, 10:28 AM   #36
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I'm not saying the Super Bowl isn't important. But there are records that transcend sports. An undefeated regular season. I still remember the Jerry Tarkanian undefeated NCAA season. No idea who won the NCAA Championship in 1994. If would be one thing if the Patriots that went 18-1 never won a Super Bowl during their dynasty, but they did. It wasn't as if they were the Bills. Nonetheless, what the Bills did was still a historical achievement.
And still completely worthless in the grand scheme of things. They get to be a footnote in history while the Giants and Cowboys collected their rings.

Laughable.
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Old 06-01-2021, 10:31 AM   #37
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And still completely worthless in the grand scheme of things. They get to be a footnote in history while the Giants and Cowboys collected their rings.

Laughable.
You have been conditioned by media & other fans that the only thing that matters in sport is championships.

Championships, depending on the sport, can also be devalued. For example, I highly value championship in the NBA or MLB where you play 5 and 7 game series. Super Bowls can be devalued some in the NFL due to playing 1-game single elimination tournament where luck can come into play. Same with the NCAA Tournament. I would argue in the NFL and NCAA basketball regular season results, conference championships, division championships would be a greater barometer of true greatness.

Do you really believe the NY Giants were better than that NE Patriots team?
Do you believe if both teams were at full strength that Tampa Bay was better than last years Chiefs?

There is alot of nuance - and luck - that go into some of the championship teams runs.

There is NO LUCK OR VERY LITTLE LUCK that comes into play with sustained excellence and perfect seasons.
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Old 06-01-2021, 10:33 AM   #38
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I tend to agree with both sides here.

I think you need the SB win to validate the greatness though, but a bad bounce or an injury can just derail it in single elimination.
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Old 06-01-2021, 10:36 AM   #39
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You have been conditioned by media & other fans that the only thing that matters in sport is championships.


Wrong again.

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Do you really believe the NY Giants were better than that NE Patriots team?
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Do you believe if both teams were at full strength that Tampa Bay was better than last years Chiefs?
Doesn't matter. The Bucs have the rings, to the victor goes the spoils.

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There is NO LUCK OR VERY LITTLE LUCK that comes into play with sustained excellence and perfect seasons.
Life is not statistics or math. You always do this. You think everything in the world can be distilled down into an equation. It doesn't work that way. And perfect seasons without championships mean dick.
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Old 06-01-2021, 10:37 AM   #40
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The 1971 (season) Super Bowl (played in 1972) was won by the Colts.

The 1973 (season) Super Bowl (played in 1974) was won by the Dolphins.

Yeah, and the Shang forces defeated the Xia Dynasty in 1675 BC. And nobody knows or gives a shit. Anyone can use google.
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Which only further demonstrates that the Super Bowl is by far more important.

People remember that 85 Bears team for the Super Bowl and its "shuffle".

Furthermore, the reason BWillie remember the Patriots and not the other two is because they LOST.

Which defeats his entire argument. LOL
Well that, and BWillie is 12.
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Yeah, and the Shang forces defeated the Xia Dynasty in 1675 BC. And nobody knows or gives a shit. Anyone can use google.
I knew those off the top of my head. Try again.
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I'm not saying the Super Bowl isn't important. But there are records that transcend sports. An undefeated regular season is one of them. I still remember the Jerry Tarkanian undefeated NCAA season, and I wasn't even of age to even remember it. People told me all about it later. No idea who won the NCAA Championship in 1994. If would be one thing if the Patriots that went 18-1 never won a Super Bowl during their dynasty, but they did. It wasn't as if they were the Bills. Nonetheless, what the Bills did was still a historical achievement.
Every Patriots fan would rank the 2007 season below all six SB winners.
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Correction. There are THREE teams that lost only one game. Still only one team that went 18-1. The 1985 Bears went 15-1. Nonetheless, your point remains. Pretty ****ing hard to do huh? What an achievement.
The 1985 Bears went 15-1 in the regular season, then won 3 playoff games for their final 18-1 record. Same with the 49ers

The other 1 loss team must have been the 1976 Raiders, who finished 16-1 (14 game season)

Then of course the 2007 Patriots

4 of the best NFL teams ever, but only 3 champions
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I knew those off the top of my head. Try again.
You are very smart. You should go on the Stump the Chumps radio program with Soren Petro. Show off that random sports knowledge that 99% of the rest of the population does not care to remember.
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