Yikes - Potentional Major Hurricane towards Louisiana

[Coach]

Hopefully the folks in LA and MS don't play around with this storm.... it looks like it might get really nasty soon.

Edited: It is projected to reach as a Cat 3 or 4 on most weather news that I see.

https://www.nhc.noaa.gov/graphics_at...start#contents

SUMMARY OF 500 PM EDT...2100 UTC...INFORMATION
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LOCATION...22.1N 83.2W
ABOUT 45 MI...70 KM NW OF THE ISLE OF YOUTH
ABOUT 90 MI...145 KM SW OF HAVANA CUBA
MAXIMUM SUSTAINED WINDS...80 MPH...130 KM/H
PRESENT MOVEMENT...NW OR 320 DEGREES AT 15 MPH...24 KM/H
MINIMUM CENTRAL PRESSURE...985 MB...29.09 INCHES

Maximum sustained winds have increased to near 80 mph (130 km/h) with higher gusts. Little change in strength is anticipated while Ida moves over western Cuba this evening. Steady to rapid strengthening is expected when Ida moves over the southeastern and central Gulf of Mexico over the weekend, and Ida is expected to be an extremely dangerous major hurricane when it approaches the northern Gulf coast on Sunday.

[Frazod]

Originally Posted by R Clark

So being an ol sailor can a ship stand a hurricane?

Maybe, maybe not.

My only experience with a hurricane happened in '85. One was bearing down on Norfolk, and every ship that was able left the base and went to an anchorage point in Chesapeake Bay to ride it out. Of course, mine happened to be in a shipyard getting a major overhaul, and our engine was on the pier under a tarp. So we stayed put, and most of the crew were told to leave the area if they had the means to do so. But being on the fire party, I was on the "alpha personnel list" which basically means I go down with the ship. So I'm on the ship, which has a big hole in the side where they removed the engine, thinking "I'm 20 years old and I'm going to ****ing die tonight." But in the end the storm veered out to sea and we only caught the fringes. There was almost no damage to area and we had no problems.

So basically the answer is they go to great lengths to try not to get caught up in one. Obviously there is danger there, and the smaller the vessel, the greater the risk.

[Frazod]

Originally Posted by Donger

Ugh, that's going to take a lot of oil and gas production offline.

[bringbackmarty]

Bitchy sounding female name - check.
Late August arrival - check.
Country distracted by something else - Check.
Dumb people saying we should just give up and abandon New Orleans, instead of fixing the problem of subsidence and land loss in the protective marsh. -Check.

[IowaHawkeyeChief]

Originally Posted by gblowfish

I hope "insert name of current Mayor of NO" does a better job reacting than Ray Nagin did.

FYP

[Chief Pagan]

Originally Posted by Titty Meat

I think Marcellus is right here. A city below sea level that gets hit by a huge hurricane every decade or so you got to ask how many times is it worth saving?

Politically it's tough to not rebuild neighborhoods. There are neighborhoods in the recent Tennessee flooding that probably shouldn't be rebuilt from a cost analysis.

A lot of Federal tax money was spent after Katrina beefing up flood defenses but long term I do think it is a losing battle for at least parts of NO and other specific coastal areas from southern Florida up the Atlantic coast in the context of the coming decades.

And yes, a lot of housing is going to burn each year in CA going forward. I feel relatively safe since my community is surrounded by farmland not forest but it is a huge issue.

Take evacuation warnings/orders seriously and try to stay safe out there.

[Donger]

Energy companies on Saturday had cut 91% of U.S. Gulf of Mexico crude oil production, or 1.65 million barrels, as Hurricane Ida churned through offshore oilfields, according to regulator Bureau of Safety and Environmental Enforcement (BSEE).

They also curtailed 1.89 billion cubic feet of natural gas production, or 85% of their output, according to a BSEE tally of reports from offshore producers.

[Chief Pagan]

Originally Posted by bringbackmarty

Bitchy sounding female name - check.
Late August arrival - check.
Country distracted by something else - Check.
Dumb people saying we should just give up and abandon New Orleans, instead of fixing the problem of subsidence and land loss in the protective marsh. -Check.

Long term I think the country can spend tens of billions of dollars and NO will eventually flood again. It is a losing battle.

Maybe the entire city doesn't need to be abandoned and certainly not immediately. But there are neighborhoods that I don't think will exist a hundred years from now.

The question is whether it is a managed retreat or multiple disasters followed by an enough-is-enough tax payers aren't going to let you rebuild this time.

[Frazod]

Originally Posted by backinblack

It's doubtful, but also not something the Navy is willing to find out. Ships at sea will take routes that are well away from hurricanes, and if a big enough one is approaching a base, like let's say Norfolk, the Navy will send out any ship that can move under it's own power out to sea temporarily until the storm passes.

I've been underway in the Atlantic when a hurricane was crossing over and we did have to adjust our trajectory further north to avoid it.

I've been in a North Atlantic storm that lasted for several days. I have no idea if they tried to avoid it or not, but it just went on and on and was nasty as hell. Also, I was on a supply ship on the crossing back from the Med, so our holds were empty. When we were fully loaded the ship handled high seas pretty well, but when we were empty, not so much. The ship pitched and rolled like mad. Walking on the walls was fun for a day or so, but after that it got old quick. By the time the storm finally broke about 90% of the crew were sea sick to the point of complete or near complete incapacitation. The whole boat smelled like puke. I was one of the 10% (never did get sea sick), but I was definitely at the end of my rope toward the end.

[backinblack]

Originally Posted by Frazod

I've been in a North Atlantic storm that lasted for several days. I have no idea if they tried to avoid it or not, but it just went on and on and was nasty as hell. Also, I was on a supply ship on the crossing back from the Med, so our holds were empty. When we were fully loaded the ship handled high seas pretty well, but when we were empty, not so much. The ship pitched and rolled like mad. Walking on the walls was fun for a day or so, but after that it got old quick. By the time the storm finally broke about 90% of the crew were sea sick to the point of complete or near complete incapacitation. The whole boat smelled like puke. I was one of the 10% (never did get sea sick), but I was definitely at the end of my rope toward the end.

I was on Arleigh Burke destroyers, which would get tossed around in rough seas pretty well, and the best part of those storms were you slept damn good in your rack as the ship was rocking and rolling. Never did get seasick but it definitely was annoying after a while. Always fun walking down P-ways and bouncing from the bulkhead on one side to the bulkhead on the other side, making it a chore to walk 100 ft.

[displacedinMN]

NO is a bowl. It is at the bottom.


Remember when a barge slammed into the wall of the MIss river in NO. That would be then end of that city.

[Frazod]

Originally Posted by backinblack

I was on Arleigh Burke destroyers, which would get tossed around in rough seas pretty well, and the best part of those storms were you slept damn good in your rack as the ship was rocking and rolling. Never did get seasick but it definitely was annoying after a while. Always fun walking down P-ways and bouncing from the bulkhead on one side to the bulkhead on the other side, making it a chore to walk 100 ft.

Yeah, I'm sure you had it far worse than we did, loaded or not. We'd marvel at the way those small boys would get tossed around at times.

The only problem I had with being out to sea was being tired all the time for the first couple of weeks. The rolling made me sleep like a log, but I think the effect was basically like being rocked in a cradle 24/7. Of course, the 12+ hour days didn't help, either. But what the hell else are you going to do at sea? You can only play so many hands of spades.

There was one guy in my division who'd get sick the minute we pulled away from the pier. Even in calm seas he was miserable. Dude should have definitely went in the army.

[displacedinMN]

saw a story that said "Worst since 1850's"

Um....right....exaggerate much?

[Marcellus]

Originally Posted by backinblack

I was on Arleigh Burke destroyers, which would get tossed around in rough seas pretty well, and the best part of those storms were you slept damn good in your rack as the ship was rocking and rolling. Never did get seasick but it definitely was annoying after a while. Always fun walking down P-ways and bouncing from the bulkhead on one side to the bulkhead on the other side, making it a chore to walk 100 ft.

I was Army but ended up on a merchant Marne ship tasing our equipment to Saudi Arabia.

Huge huge cargo ship. We hit the Dead Sea and you couldn't walk down a hallway without bouncing off both walls. And we weren't Navy so we didn't have sea legs even being about 10 days in at that time.

I puked my guts out that trip and the Dead Sea was not dead. I thanked God I didnt join the Navy.

[Misplaced_Chiefs_Fan]

Originally Posted by Marcellus

I was Army but ended up on a merchant Marne ship tasing our equipment to Saudi Arabia.

Huge huge cargo ship. We hit the Dead Sea and you couldn't walk down a hallway without bouncing off both walls. And we weren't Navy so we didn't have sea legs even being about 10 days in at that time.

I puked my guts out that trip and the Dead Sea was not dead. I thanked God I didnt join the Navy.

I hope you mean the Red Sea.

Because if your cargo ship sailed into the Dead Sea, you crossed a LOT of land to get there.

[Frazod]

Originally Posted by Marcellus

I was Army but ended up on a merchant Marne ship tasing our equipment to Saudi Arabia.

Huge huge cargo ship. We hit the Dead Sea and you couldn't walk down a hallway without bouncing off both walls. And we weren't Navy so we didn't have sea legs even being about 10 days in at that time.

I puked my guts out that trip and the Dead Sea was not dead. I thanked God I didnt join the Navy.

It's been my experience that sea legs are something you either have or don't have, and you don't know until you're on a ship at sea. There's a big difference between learning to function with the motion of the ocean and it not bothering you at all. Personally, I loved it (outside of those few days in that brutal storm I talked about earlier). But I could just as easily have been one of the poor bastards who lived on dramamine and Saltine crackers. You never know. It's not like you can take the Navy out for a test drive.

Oh, and yeah, it's definitely the "Red" Sea you're talking about.