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Old 03-10-2022, 10:07 AM  
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Old 03-10-2022, 12:37 PM   #31
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He’s horrible in coverage now. His grade was way worse than Sorensens in coverage.
…not sure how he accomplished that, but he did.

If all we want him to do is blitz and defend the run, he’s still very good in that role.
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Old 03-10-2022, 12:58 PM   #32
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28 years old with an achilles injury in his recent past? No thanks, unless he's dirt cheap.
If the Washington Redsk er I mean Commanders can't reach agreement on restructuring his contract. He won't be dirt cheap.
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Old 03-10-2022, 01:12 PM   #33
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If the Washington Redsk er I mean Commanders can't reach agreement on restructuring his contract. He won't be dirt cheap.
Unless he just saw an obvious path to getting out of town.

If he just flat didn't want to be there anymore, he's made $50 million in his NFL career. Just getting out of Dodge and potentially re-setting himself for one last contract in 2023 would be more attractive than languishing in Washington for $6 million. Especially if he can still go out and get $2-3 million elsewhere.

Refusing to renegotiate an obviously out of market deal is really just a way for a player to force his way off the team.
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Old 03-10-2022, 01:13 PM   #34
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Yep, that's the scary thing about replacing Mathieu. We might get a Collins, or Earl Thomas, or Jamal Adams.
Watching Mathieu over the 2nd half, we could've just as easily retained Mathieu and ended up with a Collins, Thomas or Adams...

He's trending the wrong direction, IMO.
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Old 03-10-2022, 01:14 PM   #35
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I pass on Collins.

Man, we could use him, but he's going to demand a hefty contract that we shouldn't pay him even if we had the cap space for it.

Which we don't.
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I pass on Collins.

Man, we could use him, but he's going to demand a hefty contract that we shouldn't pay him even if we had the cap space for it.

Which we don't.
No he won't.

He might get a 2-year deal that gives him say an $8 million signing bonus and $2 million in base this year (and some make-believe figure that nobody cares about next year) so he carries a $6 million cap hit in 2022 but gets $10 million in cash and hits the market in 2023 off hopefully a better platform season - but I'm betting that's at the absolute high side of the range.

I wouldn't be surprised to be a similar structure but at a $7 million signing bonus with a 2022 base salary of $1 million so he's got a cap hit below $5 million, sees 8 and goes to the market next year.
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Old 03-10-2022, 02:42 PM   #37
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I think Dan Sorensen, when he was good (and really, from about 2016 to 2019 he was quite good when utilized in the sort of capacity I would be looking to utilize Collins) was absolutely worth $4-5 million.

If you got 2016 Dan Sorensen out of him, you wouldn't think that was a damn good use of $4-5 million in cap? I think Collins could easily give you that level of play.
It’s quite interesting, too. The things Sorensen did the last couple years for our defense are the things Collins excels at.

He’s an amazing blitzed and run defender.

I agree that if he comes in at that range, I’d be a buyer….just like Dan…NEVER have him in coverage, especially deep.
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You can have him in underneath coverage as a 3rd safety on the field - again, where Sorensen was valuable.

You just can't have the guy out there in single high.

I think there may be some belief here that people are advocating for Collins as a pure SS w/ Thornhill as a FS - I'm not. I don't believe in the distinction anymore. Both of your safeties need to be interchangeable in that they're both capable of covering and willing (if not exceptional) tacklers.

I simply put very little value in SSs anymore. Where that kind of player IS valuable is in heavy nickel formations on 1st and 2nd downs. In a 4-2-5 sort of alignment, Landon Collins could still be very valuable and very useful to this team.
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You can have him in underneath coverage as a 3rd safety on the field - again, where Sorensen was valuable.

You just can't have the guy out there in single high.

I think there may be some belief here that people are advocating for Collins as a pure SS w/ Thornhill as a FS - I'm not. I don't believe in the distinction anymore. Both of your safeties need to be interchangeable in that they're both capable of covering and willing (if not exceptional) tacklers.

I simply put very little value in SSs anymore. Where that kind of player IS valuable is in heavy nickel formations on 1st and 2nd downs. In a 4-2-5 sort of alignment, Landon Collins could still be very valuable and very useful to this team.
That’s where Washington used him wrong, imo.

He gave up over 70% completions and gave up 8tds…but that was covering medium to deep zones and that’s not his effective area.

If we can limit his coverage responsibilities to TEs and backs, he can do that. He’s not a slot covering safety like Tyrann excelled at prior to this year.

If Spags thinks he can utilize him in Sorensens old role, it’s a definite upgrade in that specified role.

I think Spags coached him in Nay in his best years, too.
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Overrated.
Much rather have sorenson.
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Spags was the NY DC from 2015-2017…in those years, Collins made 2 pro bowls and was first team all pro in 2016.

So, Spags knows how to use him if we sign him.
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Spags was the NY DC from 2015-2017…in those years, Collins made 2 pro bowls and was first team all pro in 2016.

So, Spags knows how to use him if we sign him.
That was also 5-7 years ago. It’s not to say he couldn’t be used correctly but he was younger and pre-injury at that point.
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If "struggles in coverage" is said for a secondary player, I am out as far as you can get on said player.
But as a 3rd safety he's as much a Will Linebacker as he is a 'secondary player'.

He's about the same size/build as Nakobe Dean.
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