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Old 01-30-2023, 10:28 PM  
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Playoff wins as the measure of a QB
One of the best all-encompassing measures of a QB's greatness might be playoff wins. If you look at this stat against most lists of the greatest QBs of all time, (at least those of the Super Bowl era) it lines up pretty closely.

Only 11 QBs in history have more playoff wins than Patrick Mahomes, who already has 11 at age 27.

The list with more than Mahomes:
Brady - 35
Montana - 16
Manning, Young, Elway, Bradshaw - 14
Roethlisberger, Favre, Staubach - 13
Rodgers - 12
  • Tom Brady has more than double what anyone else has, but at age 27 Brady only had 6 playoff wins.
  • Joe Montana's 10th was the 1988 Super Bowl win over Cincinatti, he was 31 years old that day.
  • Peyton Manning and John Elway both got their 10th at age 37. Brett Favre's 10th win came at age 32.

It already looks like a good bet that Mahomes will finish #2 all time in that measure. Everyone beyond 10 wins is a Hall of Famer or will be.
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Old 01-31-2023, 08:39 AM   #31
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This is an amazing stat and shows how great Mahomes has been in his short time so far in the NFL. But at the same time, it doesn't show how much better those stats could have been had he had good defenses. /shrug
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Old 01-31-2023, 08:53 AM   #32
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The stats are just incredible for conference championship games, after removing "playoff teams" like the Steelers and Texans.

2/3rds of the way to Brady in touchdowns in only 1/3rd of the games, yet only on pace for ~6 picks to his 17.


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Old 01-31-2023, 08:54 AM   #33
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the undisputed king of playoff QBs right here folks

highest winning percentage in postseason history among QBs with at least 10 starts
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Old 01-31-2023, 08:59 AM   #34
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It's nice that he's moving up the list, but I really dislike the QB Wins stuff. KC has had
2 amazing team wins the last couple weeks featuring big time contributions from a bunch of guys across the roster. The same thing could be said for a million other games in the past featuring the all-time big name QB's.
Nah, there is a reason that basically the only QB's in the AFC to go to the SB were Brady, Roethlisberger, and Manning for a long time.

Its a QB driven league, period, now more than ever.
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Old 01-31-2023, 09:45 AM   #35
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Old 01-31-2023, 10:03 AM   #36
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Joe Flacco is 10-5 in the playoffs. All those road wins. Yet he's not sniffing the HOF.

Mahomes has a chip on his shoulder since he struggled in both Super Bowls, outside of the 4th quarter against the 49ers.

Then again, even Tom Brady has critics. You can't satisfy everyone. There is no undisputed GOAT in just about any sport.
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This is probably a little harsh on Jim Kelly, because he was injured for the first 2 playoff games in 1993 which the Bills won with Frank Reich at QB. You'd guess he would have 11 wins otherwise.
You also have to keep in mind that they were probably a top 2 seed every year so they weren't getting a full slate of games.

Of course, Mahomes hasn't ever played in a championship game on the road, so that says even more about Mahomes.
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The stats are just incredible for conference championship games, after removing "playoff teams" like the Steelers and Texans.

2/3rds of the way to Brady in touchdowns in only 1/3rd of the games, yet only on pace for ~6 picks to his 17.


Why is Joe Montana listed as AFC? Is it because the last one he played was with the Chiefs? And shouldn’t his be spilt 6/1? IDK..
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You also have to keep in mind that they were probably a top 2 seed every year so they weren't getting a full slate of games.

Of course, Mahomes hasn't ever played in a championship game on the road, so that says even more about Mahomes.
It's an imperfect measure that may be more kind than it should be to some (Flacco) and harsher than it should be on others (Kelly). But, all measures are imperfect measures.

I just found it remarkable that even with all the caveats, and even acknowledging that it takes the effort of a whole franchise to win a playoff game not just a QB, when it's all said and done the list still sorts more or less in the order of all-time greatness for a QB.
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Old 02-13-2023, 12:32 PM   #40
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OP updated.

There are now only 10 QBs all-time with more playoff wins than Patrick Mahomes, who is 27.
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