He's just so humble

[Rainbarrel]

As has been previously reported, Jackson is insisting on a fully-guaranteed contract in talks with Baltimore, and the Ravens are reluctant to commit to that. A new report from Jeremy Fowler and Jamison Hensley of ESPN takes this a step further, stating that every counteroffer Jackson gave the Ravens was for more than Deshaun Watson got from the Cleveland Browns, all fully guaranteed.

In other words, Jackson had demanded over $230 million over five years from the Ravens, all of it guaranteed.

The Ravens had not even been willing to give Jackson the same contract as Watson received, and recent reports have suggested the two sides are very far apart in what they are willing to do as far as a new contract goes. The quarterback is likely to receive the franchise tag from the Ravens, but it does feel like a trade is increasingly possible as things continue to drag out.

https://thecomeback.com/nfl/ravens-l...t-demands.html

[Buehler445]

Originally Posted by Cave Johnson

Not paying a 3% commission in exchange for an agent’s contacts, insights, and experience is asinine.

Lamar is a fool for taking this route.

Also an underrated value of an agent is the chinese wall, so you don't have to hear about what management thinks your limitations are. It is damned hard to not take that personally.

[Rain Man]

Who was the guy that did his contract without an agent? I think Ricky Williams did, but there was some other high-profile player who signed a lowball contract that was full of incentives. How did it work out for that guy?

[wazu]

Originally Posted by Rain Man

Who was the guy that did his contract without an agent? I think Ricky Williams did, but there was some other high-profile player who signed a lowball contract that was full of incentives. How did it work out for that guy?

Richard Sherman went to Stanford so he was smart enough to negotiate his own contract with the 49ers. I remember Florio panning his deal pretty hard, but I also see in Sportac that Sherman made like $34M in 3 years with San Fran so that doesn't sound so bad.

[rfaulk34]

Originally Posted by Chiefspants

Very curious about what teams would be interested in Lamar at that price range. Is there any offense he could step into seamlessly with his style of play?

Atlanta. They have a few good RBs, similar to the Ravens, a good Oline and Kyle Pitts. RB8 needs that TE safety blanket.

And they have a lot of cap space.

[Buehler445]

Originally Posted by wazu

Richard Sherman went to Stanford so he was smart enough to negotiate his own contract with the 49ers. I remember Florio panning his deal pretty hard, but I also see in Sportac that Sherman made like $34M in 3 years with San Fran so that doesn't sound so bad.

Smart mother****ers can get took too, if they don't know contract law.

IIRC that SF one was while he was on the decline, and as far as I can remember it was lauded as fair for both parties.

In a case like that, Sherman is probably fine keeping his agent's commission.

[Buehler445]

Originally Posted by Rain Man

Who was the guy that did his contract without an agent? I think Ricky Williams did, but there was some other high-profile player who signed a lowball contract that was full of incentives. How did it work out for that guy?

Wasn't it Russell Okung because he wanted a shitload of it in Bitcoin?

[Skyy God]

There’s quite a few players, actually.

https://www.gobankingrates.com/net-w...racts-did/amp/

And Brian Waters, back in the day.

[Reroka]

Originally Posted by Rainbarrel

As has been previously reported, Jackson is insisting on a fully-guaranteed contract in talks with Baltimore, and the Ravens are reluctant to commit to that. A new report from Jeremy Fowler and Jamison Hensley of ESPN takes this a step further, stating that every counteroffer Jackson gave the Ravens was for more than Deshaun Watson got from the Cleveland Browns, all fully guaranteed.

In other words, Jackson had demanded over $230 million over five years from the Ravens, all of it guaranteed.

The Ravens had not even been willing to give Jackson the same contract as Watson received, and recent reports have suggested the two sides are very far apart in what they are willing to do as far as a new contract goes. The quarterback is likely to receive the franchise tag from the Ravens, but it does feel like a trade is increasingly possible as things continue to drag out.

https://thecomeback.com/nfl/ravens-l...t-demands.html

Trade him for whatever you can get for him. These running qbs don't very last long. I am sure Josh Allen is one bad but from being done as well.

[LoneWolf]

Originally Posted by Direckshun

If you are super, super good at your job, you maximize your payout for it.

This is Lamar doing what any of us would do.

Virtually none of us are Patrick Mahomes, and would forfeit like $100m over a decade.

Mahomes is the psychopath, not Lamar.

Mahomes understands marketing and economics. He understands that if he takes a little less money in a sport with a salary cap that he is helping field a better overall team and has a greater chance to win multiple Super Bowls. In turn, being the winning QB of Super Bowls and a league MVP affords him the opportunity to rake in endorsement dollars.

Mahomes is a genius and Lamar is not looking at the bigger picture. Much like your whore of a mother, Lamar is only looking at the instant gratification and not playing the long game (well, she probably does enjoy the long game. wink/wink.) Maybe that is wise for a QB that is really a running back taking snaps as a QB because I don't see Lamar lasting another 5 years in this league.

[dlphg9]

Sure, they're gonna give him a fully guaranteed contract when he missed 5 games two seasons ago and missed 6 games last year. He's also been terrible in playoff games and is 1-3 in them.

So, he's had significant injuries the last 2 years. His most valuable asset is what leads to those injuries. Yeah the Ravens aren't gonna sign this dipshit long term and will trade him to some idiot team that's gonna **** their cap up and give up a **** ton of draft picks for the dude.

[dlphg9]

Originally Posted by FlaChief58

He should have taken Baltimore's offer of 130 million guaranteed money. His legs are starting to decline and his arm is nothing special. He bet on himself, but he may lose his shirt. I'm sure there's some very desperate team that'll pay him, just not what he thinks he deserves

He's just pretty ****ed if he doesn't make bank in the next year or 2. He's been injured a lot and eventually he's not gonna be able to run as well. He's not a good passer already, but wait until teams don't have to worry about his running ability.

Some team is gonna look real dumb for signing him. Probably as dumb as the Dungver Donks look for trading and signing for Wuss. I don't think the Ravens will cave and will probably trade him and they will probably get a better haul than the Seahawks got for Wuss.

[Bearcat]

Originally Posted by LoneWolf

Mahomes understands marketing and economics. He understands that if he takes a little less money in a sport with a salary cap that he is helping field a better overall team and has a greater chance to win multiple Super Bowls. In turn, being the winning QB of Super Bowls and a league MVP affords him the opportunity to rake in endorsement dollars.

Mahomes is a genius and Lamar is not looking at the bigger picture. Much like your whore of a mother, Lamar is only looking at the instant gratification and not playing the long game (well, she probably does enjoy the long game. wink/wink.) Maybe that is wise for a QB that is really a running back taking snaps as a QB because I don't see Lamar lasting another 5 years in this league.

Yeah, it's such a shallow argument.

Even given Mahomes is a special breed in the sense that he wants to be the best to ever play AND is smart enough to know how to get there over the course of years and years, there are still plenty of relatively normal people who 1) understand their own value, and 2) have enough foresight to not risk years of frustration, mediocrity, added pressure, etc; so they could be "set for life times 20" instead of "set for life times 10".

And maybe Lamar only cares about the money, and the thought of playing for some shitshow franchise for years doesn't matter to him at all.

And in a general sense, yeah I'm not going to my employer tomorrow and asking for 100% more than the max value of my position, for the risk of them telling me "good luck finding someone who will pay that" and then going to a far lesser job with management stupid enough to pay it.. or suffering consequences like the best people around me leaving, and dealing with the pressure to do it all myself, and the frustration of failing to do it all myself, and so forth.

Most people are smart enough to weigh the factors, it doesn't take a Mahomes to do that.

[Stewie]

Originally Posted by Buehler445

Is it his mom? I'd always heard he was representing himself.

I can't remember who was on Russillos podcast talking about it, but they were saying that representing yourself is pretty easy when you're trying to negotiate a contract with your current employer, but it is much more difficult if you're trying to leverage another team's offer. You need someone to call and feel shit out.

That's all IF you can deal with the idea that it feels personal when the team says, "you're not worth that".

This might be the one where betting on yourself doesn't pay.

He does represent himself, sort of. He ultimately calls the shots, but his mom does face-to-face negotiations.

[DJ's left nut]

I remember when A-Rod signed his insane deal with Texas and it was the top contract in baseball for like, a decade.

Every off-season the top player in free agency would try to start with the A-Rod deal and teams were like "sorry, but that deal is WAY too stupid..."

It's the only time I can recall a contract that 're-set the market' failing to do so because it was just that damn awful.

Watson's deal may be the 2nd example. Because I just gotta believe every other team in the league hears an agent say "well Deshaun got..." and just hangs up the phone. The Browns are reeruned - news at 11.

[htismaqe]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

I remember when A-Rod signed his insane deal with Texas and it was the top contract in baseball for like, a decade.

Every off-season the top player in free agency would try to start with the A-Rod deal and teams were like "sorry, but that deal is WAY too stupid..."

It's the only time I can recall a contract that 're-set the market' failing to do so because it was just that damn awful.

Watson's deal may be the 2nd example. Because I just gotta believe every other team in the league hears an agent say "well Deshaun got..." and just hangs up the phone. The Browns are reeruned - news at 11.

Well, to an extent we saw it when Cousins got his unprecedented deal. It did have an affect on the market but it really didn't lead to a flood of fully-guaranteed contracts. Watson's deal is certainly going to be part of the argument for any QB going forward but it remains to be seen if guys are able to truly turn that into a similar deal or in the end, they just get a bit more money on a more "normal" contract structure.