A QB in the fourth round?

[The Franchise]

That's what Brugler thinks in his latest mock draft.

https://theathletic.com/4413880/2023...ck-draft-2023/

1 (31): Keion White, Edge Georgia Tech
2 (63): Tyler Scott, WR, Cincinnati
3 (95): Jaelyn Duncan, OT, Maryland
4 (122): Jaren Hall, QB, BYU
4 (134): DeMarvion Overshown, LB, Texas
5 (166): Desjuan Johnson, DT, Toledo
6 (178): Sean Tucker, RB, Syracuse
6 (217): Grant DuBose, WR, Charlotte
7 (249): Blake Whiteheart, TE, Wake Forest
7 (250): Nic Jones, CB, Ball State

31. Kansas City Chiefs: Keion White, Edge, Georgia Tech
The Chiefs will be examining their pass-rush options early, and White will be near the top of their list. The NFL announced that White is one of 17 prospects who will be attending this year’s draft, and he’s the last of those 17 to appear in this mock. With the draft being held in Kansas City, though, it would make for good TV to have the Chiefs’ selection already in town.

63. Kansas City Chiefs: Tyler Scott, WR, Cincinnati
With the Chiefs expected to add wide receiver help at some point in the first three rounds, Scott is a name to keep on the radar. A true three-level threat, he will be drafted somewhere in the 50-100 range and look like a steal three years from now.

122. Kansas City Chiefs: Jaren Hall, QB, BYU
The BYU connection between Andy Reid and Hall is a fun story, but I’m told the Chiefs “love” Hall’s skill set. Kansas City understands the importance of the backup quarterback, so much so that the Chiefs might even make this pick a round earlier.

178. Kansas City Chiefs: Sean Tucker, RB, Syracuse
The medical question marks might drop Tucker on draft weekend — how far is anyone’s guess. But the value at this point in the draft would make him well worth the risk for the Chiefs.

[Dunerdr]

Originally Posted by The Franchise

Yeah. I guess really the only thing that can get a little annoying is Nate’s voice sometimes but it’s not so bad now that I’ve listened to it enough. I don’t know how you can listen to Times Ours and not be a fan.

I can’t stand any of the other Chiefs podcasts out there. They’re all straight faced and none of them have actual insight. They’re basically “How about those Chiefs” but in podcast form.

For me its Times Ours, then the lab stuff with kcsn, seth when hes doing chief in the north on rgr, then the rest of the garbage on kcsn then the rest of the shit on rgr.

[DJ's left nut]

RGR is so bad.

That guy that founded rogue analytics has a job because it's his show. He's awful.

[staylor26]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

RGR is so bad.

That guy that founded rogue analytics has a job because it's his show. He's awful.

He has Lukas Van Ness as a DT. Doesn't think he's an edge.

[Mecca]

This draft kinda sucks...

[Dunerdr]

Originally Posted by staylor26

He has Lukas Van Ness as a DT. Doesn't think he's an edge.

I actually am in the process of listening to their mock right now. The Van Ness thing is exactly what makes them unbearable. They just come up with something like that and refuse to move off of it. When he was just on locked on Chiefs he picked Demarcus Robinson 3 years in a row to be cut. And it wasnt his rookie year. Just basically every year after. The dude contributed big several times and is cheap ****ing let personal bias go man.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by Dunerdr

I actually am in the process of listening to their mock right now. The Van Ness thing is exactly what makes them unbearable. They just come up with something like that and refuse to move off of it. When he was just on locked on Chiefs he picked Demarcus Robinson 3 years in a row to be cut. And it wasnt his rookie year. Just basically every year after. The dude contributed big several times and is cheap ****ing let personal bias go man.

And if he were right more often - or even convincing in his wrongness - I'd be less annoyed by him.

He's just never given me any reasonable basis to conclude that I should actually give a shit what he has to say.

Just about everyone on the draft forum can point to several instances of being ahead of the curve on guys and being spot-on in their analysis as to why. I'm not sure that RGR guy can.

[Dunerdr]

Then he brought Dan Harms in because he thinks exactly like him. It's a shitty echo chamber. I do like when they have Matt Derick on, hes so damn nice. Ryans says something ridiculous to anyone with a functioning brain and Matts just all "Uhm no, no, thats not really what im hearing the chiefs are not expecting to get multiple day 2 picks in return for CEH."

[Dunerdr]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

And if he were right more often - or even convincing in his wrongness - I'd be less annoyed by him.

He's just never given me any reasonable basis to conclude that I should actually give a shit what he has to say.

Just about everyone on the draft forum can point to several instances of being ahead of the curve on guys and being spot-on in their analysis as to why. I'm not sure that RGR guy can.

He never EVER even really addresses mistakes. Theyll have high second round guys and talk about how they are late day 3, then the guy goes mid 2 and they never come back to even acknowledge that maybe they are wrong. The kc lab guys do it but not as bad imo. Even Matty has admitted picks he didnt care for ended up being decent. RGR just keeps them on that shit list for life.

[Mecca]

Originally Posted by Dunerdr

Then he brought Dan Harms in because he thinks exactly like him. It's a shitty echo chamber. I do like when they have Matt Derick on, hes so damn nice. Ryans says something ridiculous to anyone with a functioning brain and Matts just all "Uhm no, no, thats not really what im hearing the chiefs are not expecting to get multiple day 2 picks in return for CEH."

Some of the stuff that comes out of Harms is kinda baffling, like he'll post a twitter video and I see nothing he says he sees.

[DJ's left nut]

Yeah, RGR is just empty calories.

They're background noise when I don't have a good podcast to listen to.

[Mecca]

Originally Posted by Dunerdr

He never EVER even really addresses mistakes. Theyll have high second round guys and talk about how they are late day 3, then the guy goes mid 2 and they never come back to even acknowledge that maybe they are wrong. The kc lab guys do it but not as bad imo. Even Matty has admitted picks he didnt care for ended up being decent. RGR just keeps them on that shit list for life.

KCSN for the most part is about 50% able to admit they got something wrong. The issue they have is I'll use the Bolton Humphrey year as an example, even if Bolton and Humphrey are top players at their position they are going to hit you with "yea any GM willing to take those positions that high should hit those picks because most GM's don't value those positions.

So then it turns into, I don't care how good these guys are, they have crappy positional value the rest of the league doesn't care about.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by Mecca

So then it turns into, I don't care how good these guys are, they have crappy positional value the rest of the league doesn't care about.

Morse should've taught some lessons to those folks.

I remember in the Morse thread being one of the few Morse backers because "there's just no positional value there!" and I had to point out that this is WHY you can get a guy like Morse in the 2nd.

He's not sexy and no it's not a high value position. But the 2nd round is either 1) High risk, high upside gambles on positions of significant value or B) Lower risk propositions on positions of lesser value.

Y'know what, when you average that shit out, more often than not getting solid, productive, reliable football players at C, LB and S in the 2nd round is gonna yield more aggregate value than your 40% hit rate (maybe) on high variance WRs and CBs.

It's just part of the calculus. So ignoring the inherent stability and predictability of the guy you're getting at that position of lesser importance, ESPECIALLY when he proves to be exactly that sort of solid, reliable football player, is just wildly disingenuous.

[Dunerdr]

Originally Posted by Mecca

KCSN for the most part is about 50% able to admit they got something wrong. The issue they have is I'll use the Bolton Humphrey year as an example, even if Bolton and Humphrey are top players at their position they are going to hit you with "yea any GM willing to take those positions that high should hit those picks because most GM's don't value those positions.

So then it turns into, I don't care how good these guys are, they have crappy positional value the rest of the league doesn't care about.

I agree that that stuff is annoying but still better than RGR imo. At least KCSN has a little balance. RGR is full homer but for their own bullshit. KCSN has Craig to ground out kent and Matty. I can barely stand BJ with all his super homer bullshit though lol. IDGAF if you know Frank Clark is a good guy, he ****ing sucks at being a DE1.

[Mecca]

Originally Posted by Dunerdr

I agree that that stuff is annoying but still better than RGR imo. At least KCSN has a little balance. RGR is full homer but for their own bullshit. KCSN has Craig to ground out kent and Matty. I can barely stand BJ with all his super homer bullshit though lol. IDGAF if you know Frank Clark is a good guy, he ****ing sucks at being a DE1.

BJ is to close to the organization, it's like Mitch Holthus.

[kccrow]

If they are going DE and Foskey is there, I'd much prefer him to White.

I don't hate White, I rather like him but I'm not taking a guy that's going to turn 25 in the playoffs in the first ****ing round. I'm just not. He flashed well in the seasons leading up to this one, but this was also his first season of quality production and it still was worse than Foskey.

I'd bitch about this pick a little bit and it's not because he might not be talented. It's that he's going to be going on 30 at his 2nd contract. You're buying in on a guy in 1 with that scenario and that's a tough on for me.

As for Jaren Hall in the 4th, that's too rich for me. 6th round maybe.

I think these backup QBs are being too highly rated and I dislike most of them but any of them 5th or later I'd be okay with but highly prefer 6th or later. None before the 5th.

The backups I'd draft
Dorian Thompson-Robinson, UCLA
Clayton Tune, Houston
Aidan O'Connell, Purdue
Jaren Hall, BYU
Chase Brice, Appalachian State
Holton Ahlers, East Carolina

The backups I wouldn't touch
Jake Haener, Fresno State
Tanner McKee, Stanford
Max Duggan, TCU
Stetson Bennett, Georgia
Tyson Bagent, Shepherd
Tanner Morgan, Minnesota
Lindsey Scott Jr, Incarnate Word

The backups I'd consider as UDFAs
Todd Centeio, James Madison
Tommy DeVito, Illinois
Tim DeMorat, Fordham
Malik Cunningham, Louisville
Adrian Martinez, Kansas State