Simms has us taking Murphy - Page 3

**BossChief** · 02:02 PM

He also has Van Ness falling to 29 and McDonald to Philly @30.

I’d love a move up for Van Ness if he gets past the Chargers in his mock.

Mecca · 04-25-2023, 10:50 AM

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How big was Osi when he played for Spags?

6'3 255

Although if you notice, the game has changed over the years. The reason they don't like undersized linemen is because they can play nickel in run downs because they don't need an extra run defender behind the line.

Mecca · 04-25-2023, 10:51 AM

If you want an end just figure out a way to get Myles Murphy he fits what we do.

O.city · 04-25-2023, 10:53 AM

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6'3 255

Although if you notice, the game has changed over the years. The reason they don't like undersized linemen is because they can play nickel in run downs because they don't need an extra run defender behind the line.

What's a run down in the league today?

DJ's left nut · 04-25-2023, 10:54 AM

Clark played at probably 250-255 last year. And as we all know, nobody sets the edge like Frank Clark.

So clearly mass is immaterial.

Mecca · 04-25-2023, 10:54 AM

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What's a run down in the league today?

And that is the entire point of why when your line alone can stop the run it's a big deal.

Mecca · 04-25-2023, 10:55 AM

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Clark played at probably 250-255 last year. And as we all know, nobody sets the edge like Frank Clark.

So clearly mass is immaterial.

Yea but McDonald is an asshole run defender so that point doesn't even translate.

DJ's left nut · 04-25-2023, 10:55 AM

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What's a run down in the league today?

3rd and 1. Maybe. If you have a team that's confident they can pick up the 4th down, they'll probably throw it on 3rd as well.

Really, there's no such thing. It's why I'm not enthusiastic about Smith in the 1st round. Run-Stuffers just don't matter that much.

O.city · 04-25-2023, 10:55 AM

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And that is the entire point of why when your line alone can stop the run it's a big deal.

I'd guess it's a bigger deal when you can't rush the passer...but I digress

DJ's left nut · 04-25-2023, 10:56 AM

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And that is the entire point of why when your line alone can stop the run it's a big deal.

Alternatively, it's why you never pass on a potential premium pass rusher because of concerns over run defense.

Mecca · 04-25-2023, 10:56 AM

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I'd guess it's a bigger deal when you can't rush the passer...but I digress

You realize teams have things they generally do, and formula's they follow, the Chiefs don't like undersized linemen, that has basically been consistent for awhile.

O.city · 04-25-2023, 10:57 AM

I can teach a guy to defend the run.

I can't teach a guy to bend around the edge

O.city · 04-25-2023, 10:57 AM

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You realize teams have things they generally do, and formula's they follow, the Chiefs don't like undersized linemen, that has basically been consistent for awhile.

If we're going by that, they wouldn't have drafted McDuffie last year.

Mecca · 04-25-2023, 10:59 AM

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If we're going by that, they wouldn't have drafted McDuffie last year.

Ok that is an entire position saying if they'll draft it high that is not the same as the type of players they like at a position.

McDonald doesn't check 2 boxes, he's old and he's small.

kccrow · 04-25-2023, 11:14 AM

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No, no he's not. McDonald plays like a defensive end trying to stand up when he does that. He doesn't show fluidity to legit play standing at this time. He also has never gained weight in 5 years so the idea he'll just get bigger than 240 is wishful thinking.

To me he is a situation rusher and do you really want to use a 1st round pick on a role player? He also is not a schematic fit at all with the Chiefs so...

Looked pretty good rushing standing up in all the plays I saw him do it at Iowa State. I don't think that's a problem.

Not gaining weight, in my opinion, is directly related to him not focusing enough on his lower body and maybe NFL strength coaches can help him hone in on that.

Mecca · 04-25-2023, 11:15 AM

At the end of the day if you want an edge, get the one that fits and that guy is Murphy.

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