2024's Red zone failures

[LongSufferingToady]

We have poor blocking and protection. Fix that and the run game as well as the passing game will be fine.

[DenverChief]

Avg Expected Points Per Drive
2018: 3.12
2019: 2.59
2020: 2.74
2021: 2.71
2022: 2.71
2023: 2.01
2024: 2.42

Percentage of Drives ending in a Score
2018: 52.6%
2019: 48.8%
2020: 47.9%
2021: 48.2%
2022: 46.4%
2023: 39.3%
2024: 46.6%

Red Zone Plays:
2018: 171 plays, 68 Ru Att, 16 TD's, 63/96 Comp/Att, 35 TD, 1 INT, 7 Sacks (29.8% of red zone plays ended in a TD)
2019: 138 plays, 67 Ru Att, 16 TD's, 33/67 Comp/Att, 11 TD, 1 INT, 4 Sacks (19.5% of red zone plays ended in a TD)
2020: 152 plays, 63 Ru Att, 10 TD's, 51/85 Comp/Att, 25 TD, 2 INT, 4 Sacks (23% of red zone plays ended in a TD)
2021: 187 plays, 79 Ru Att, 15 TD's, 62/101 Comp/Att, 26 TD, 3 INT, 7 Sacks (21.9% of red zone plays ended in a TD)
2022: 209 plays, 84 Ru Att, 16 TD's, 73/123 Comp/Att, 34 TD, 3 INT, 2 Sacks (23.9% of red zone plays ended in a TD)
2023: 171 plays, 72 Ru Att, 8 TD's, 58/94 Comp/Att, 25 TD, 2 INT, 5 Sacks, (19.2% of red zone plays ended in a TD)
2024: 144 plays, 64 Ru Att, 10 TD's, 49/75 Comp/Att, 15 TD, 2 INT, 5 Sacks (17.3% of red zone plays ended in a TD)

[DenverChief]

Originally Posted by DenverChief

Avg Expected Points Per Drive
2018: 3.12
2019: 2.59
2020: 2.74
2021: 2.71
2022: 2.71
2023: 2.01
2024: 2.42

Percentage of Drives ending in a Score
2018: 52.6%
2019: 48.8%
2020: 47.9%
2021: 48.2%
2022: 46.4%
2023: 39.3%
2024: 46.6%

Red Zone Plays:
2018: 171 plays, 68 Ru Att, 16 TD's, 63/96 Comp/Att, 35 TD, 1 INT, 7 Sacks (29.8% of red zone plays ended in a TD)
2019: 138 plays, 67 Ru Att, 16 TD's, 33/67 Comp/Att, 11 TD, 1 INT, 4 Sacks (19.5% of red zone plays ended in a TD)
2020: 152 plays, 63 Ru Att, 10 TD's, 51/85 Comp/Att, 25 TD, 2 INT, 4 Sacks (23% of red zone plays ended in a TD)
2021: 187 plays, 79 Ru Att, 15 TD's, 62/101 Comp/Att, 26 TD, 3 INT, 7 Sacks (21.9% of red zone plays ended in a TD)
2022: 209 plays, 84 Ru Att, 16 TD's, 73/123 Comp/Att, 34 TD, 3 INT, 2 Sacks (23.9% of red zone plays ended in a TD)
2023: 171 plays, 72 Ru Att, 8 TD's, 58/94 Comp/Att, 25 TD, 2 INT, 5 Sacks, (19.2% of red zone plays ended in a TD)
2024: 144 plays, 64 Ru Att, 10 TD's, 49/75 Comp/Att, 15 TD, 2 INT, 5 Sacks (17.3% of red zone plays ended in a TD)

Just to compare (Baltimore Ravens)

Avg Expected Points Per Drive
2018: 2.06
2019: 2.95
2020: 2.56
2021: 1.97
2022: 1.90
2023: 2.37
2024: 2.82

Percentage of Drives ending in a Score
2018: 40.7%
2019: 51.8%
2020: 45.3%
2021: 38.5%
2022: 38.9%
2023: 43.1%
2024: 47.7%

Red Zone Plays:
2018: 159 Plays, 91 Ru Att, 18 TD, 32/64 Comp/Att, 14 TD, 1 INT, 4 Sack (20.1%)
2019: 173 Plays, 104 Ru Att, 18 TD, 40/65 Comp/Att, 25 TD, 4 Sacks (24.8%)
2020: 156 Plays, 94 Ru Att, 19 TD, 39/59 Comp/Att, 19 TD, 3 Sacks (24.3%)
2021: 150 Plays, 67 Ru Att, 16 TD, 45/75 Comp/Att, 17 TD, 3 INT, 8 Sacks (22%)
2022: 168 Plays, 88 Ru Att, 12 TD, 36/76 Comp/Att, 15 TD, 2 INT, 4 Sacks (16%)
2023: 180 Plays, 107 Ru Att, 23 TD, 45/68 Comp/Att, 18 TD, 2 INT, 5 Sacks (22.7%)
2024: 107 Plays, 58 Ru Att, 14 TD, 33/48 Comp/Att, 22 TD, 1 Sack (33%)

[King_Chief_Fan]

Originally Posted by scho63

Boy, we sure have sucked balls in the redzone this year.

Thought Kareem and Dhop would help but last game we were 1 of 5 and this year we are at the bottom of the bottom third.

Can blame some on tackles but down inside the 20 you aren't holding the ball for very long.

I think the play calling has been poor and it seems our formations are so recognizable.

The inside shuffle pass has lost its luster.

We seem to have forgotten the jet sweep or quick slants.

I don't think we have had too many penalties inside the 20 but don't have the stats.

Who gets the blame here?

Nagy/Reid play calling

[jjchieffan]

I've been wondering if it's Nagy. Last year, the offense struggled all year. But after the Christmas Day loss, something changed. I'm thinking that Reid quietly took over the play calling at that point. But he let Nagy take it back for the regular season this year. Andy will take over again when it's playoff time and things will turn around again. Maybe. I don't know. Just seems to make sense to me.

[493rd]

Just stop the only people who think there’s red zone problems are negative assholes who aren’t real fans.

[DenverChief]

It isn’t possible at all that mahomes getting creamed 1.5 seconds after the snap has anything to do with the dip in red zone efficiency. 2% from last year. On top of the OL possibly being tired from playing two games in 5 days? People around here will find any excuse other than the obvious. I’m surprised aliens have kidnapped Andy or Goodell has paid Patrick to “slow it down”. Good lord read what you are posting.

[DenverChief]

It’s really sad when the “hot take” is common sense and the garbage theories are main stream.

[Bearcat]

Originally Posted by DenverChief

It isn’t possible at all that mahomes getting creamed 1.5 seconds after the snap has anything to do with the dip in red zone efficiency. 2% from last year. On top of the OL possibly being tired from playing two games in 5 days? People around here will find any excuse other than the obvious. I’m surprised aliens have kidnapped Andy or Goodell has paid Patrick to “slow it down”. Good lord read what you are posting.

2% at this point of the season is one attempt... pick one dropped pass, missed throw, that dumb sequence when they had like a million attempts within the 5 yard line against the Bengals, one sack.

That's not some glaring issue between last year and this year, they just aren't particularly great at it over the course of years because they choose to try shit out instead of consistently running the ball (and it's also a pretty misleading stat anyway)

[UChieffyBugger]

Redzone stats

Vs Ravens 1/3

Vs Bengals 1/2

Vs Falcons 2/4

Vs Chargers 1/2

Vs Saints 2/7

Vs San Fran 4/5

Vs Raiders 3/4

Vs Tampa 4/4

Vs Denver 1/4

Vs Buffalo 3/3

Vs Panthers 2/5

Vs Raiders 1/5

If we just find a way to convert a few more trips to the redzone the games would look a whole lot different. There's evidence there that they can do well in that area but consistency is clearly lacking.

[Monticore]

Originally Posted by UChieffyBugger

Redzone stats

Vs Ravens 1/3

Vs Bengals 1/2

Vs Falcons 2/4

Vs Chargers 1/2

Vs Saints 2/7

Vs San Fran 4/5

Vs Raiders 3/4

Vs Tampa 4/4

Vs Denver 1/4

Vs Buffalo 3/3

Vs Panthers 2/5

Vs Raiders 1/5

If we just find a way to convert a few more trips to the redzone the games would look a whole lot different. There's evidence there that they can do well in that area but consistency is clearly lacking.

It wouldn’t be a big issue if we could actually score from outside the redzone a little more .

[chiefzilla1501]

I am optimistic. I feel like we have a few things going here….

Kareem is gassed
While Kareem is good for the shorter yardage id rather have Pacheco get bigger chunk red zone gains. I imagine Pacheco gets a very normal workload after a long week going into a key division game. A rested kareem on the short stuff is inevitable.

Mahomes needs to use the next few weeks to get comfortable with DHop contested catches and he’s getting there. I feel like this year he is trying to be so careful with the ball that he’s sailing it over DHop and kelce way out of reach. He needs o be more comfortable with tight windows in the red zone.

We will see way more creativity closer to the end of the season. I imagine the shovel pitch will be retired and used to set up something different.
Humphries will help, because… duh

[TEX]

Originally Posted by scho63

Boy, we sure have sucked balls in the redzone this year.

Thought Kareem and Dhop would help but last game we were 1 of 5 and this year we are at the bottom of the bottom third.

Can blame some on tackles but down inside the 20 you aren't holding the ball for very long.

I think the play calling has been poor and it seems our formations are so recognizable.

The inside shuffle pass has lost its luster.

We seem to have forgotten the jet sweep or quick slants.

I don't think we have had too many penalties inside the 20 but don't have the stats.

Who gets the blame here?

The OL, and not just the Tackles. Play calling has been suspect as well.

[mr. tegu]

We can’t run well in the red zone because we lack shifty backs and those inside runs are very difficult in the more congested space. We also don’t seem to have any off tackle running plays. Just deciding to run it more isn’t going to fix the issues.

[Bearcat]

Originally Posted by mr. tegu

We can’t run well in the red zone because we lack shifty backs and those inside runs are very difficult in the more congested space. We also don’t seem to have any off tackle running plays. Just deciding to run it more isn’t going to fix the issues.

Yeah off tackle always seems to be gimmicky in nature. And there's the infamous 2nd & long run-into-the-center's-ass-for-2-yards play, which is basically the only run play they have for that situation.