Gunther - Page 3

jspchief · 09-19-2004, 04:55 PM

In a post game interview, it was clear that Gunther is starting to realize the mountain he's faced with climbing.

He talked about how they practiced the plays Carolina ran all week, and practiced the exact short pass play that Denver and Carolina both scored on. But the guys just keep making the same mistakes. He also threw McCleon under the bus...keep your eye out for Bartee in the starting line-up soon. Talked about how poorly our secondary played (#44 being the one bright spot). Also mentioned the shitfull tackling.

It's obvious that our guys in the defensive backfield suck. Barber is non-existent. Mitchell and Beisel both over-commit on every misdirection play. Our safeties are soft, and can't hit or tackle. McCleon is not suited to be a starter at this point.

The tackling is fucking brutal. How hard is it to teach these guys to wrap up? Why do we never lay good hits? Why does our entire secondary stand and watch when we get the QB in trouble? This defense isn't getting better. Until we can cover downfield, all the QB pressure in the world won't save us (as Delhomme demonstrated).

I was wrong. It's not the scheme. It's the players.

**dirk digler** · 09-19-2004, 05:59 PM

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Originally Posted by headsnap

that's what I mean by 'deprogramming.' these players heads are full of knobinson's shit that's been pounded into them over the last few years, when they get into the heat of battle, they revert.

It'll take time, but the D will improve.

with that being said, the rooks should get more PT.

Donut Dalton is untainted by G-Rob...

Sorry snap, I disagree. Most teams who replace their D-Coordinator make significant improvement in their first year. With that being said we are only in game 2 of 16 so we still have time but we are in a big hole. I think the D will improve but not by much because we obviously lack talent which no scheme can hide IMO.

**dirk digler** · 09-19-2004, 06:01 PM

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Originally Posted by jspchief

"Deprogramming" huh? is that the latest spin over at the Peterson household?

This isn't learning/unlearning scheme, or technique, or attitude. This is lacking the basic skill set that allows you to get to the ball.

Grob didn't "program" them to tackle poorly or over-commit on misdirection. He didn't "program" them to repeat the same mistakes on identical plays after a week's worth of practicing it.

This is what Maas was saying after the Indy game last year with their built in excuses. This maybe their new excuse at 1 Arrowhead Drive.

headsnap · 09-19-2004, 06:03 PM

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Originally Posted by dirk digler

Sorry snap, I disagree. Most teams who replace their D-Coordinator make significant improvement in their first year. With that being said we are only in game 2 of 16 so we still have time but we are in a big hole. I think the D will improve but not by much because we obviously lack talent which no scheme can hide IMO.

I'm not saying that the D will be world beaters, and I'm not even saying that we have good talent. All I'm saying is that, IMHO, it will improve, the habits learned under G-Rob will not disappear overnight.

headsnap · 09-19-2004, 06:12 PM

truth be known, I'm more concerned about the offense right now.

Coogs · 09-19-2004, 06:19 PM

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Originally Posted by headsnap

truth be known, I'm more concerned about the offense right now.

That is a pretty scary thought too, since we are last in the league in rushing defense and scoring defense after 2 weeks.

BTW headsnap, I am getting darn close to agreeing with you too. The offense is looking old and slow to me, except for Priest of corse.

Sure-Oz · 09-19-2004, 06:21 PM

They aren't using priest enough, and our WR's suck. Gonzo isn't full strength either, we need help, but it isn't coming this year.

**dirk digler** · 09-19-2004, 06:25 PM

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Originally Posted by headsnap

truth be known, I'm more concerned about the offense right now.

Me too. I knew the D would be a work in progress but I expected our offense to be the same or better. I am really worried about our WR's right now. They may be the worst in the NFL.

Chiefs Pantalones · 09-19-2004, 06:26 PM

I think it's the players as well.

Name me one player on our defense that an opposing offensive coordinator has to watch out for and game plan against? That's right...none. We need better talent or a miracle.

FringeNC · 09-19-2004, 06:40 PM

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Originally Posted by headsnap

truth be known, I'm more concerned about the offense right now.

Yeah, me too. The passing game is a disaster. Did Terry Shea really mean that much to Green?

Coach · 09-19-2004, 06:44 PM

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Originally Posted by FringeNC

Yeah, me too. The passing game is a disaster. Did Terry Shea really mean that much to Green?

Boy... one had to wonder....

Hel'n · 09-19-2004, 07:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Deberg_1990

Id be happy if they benched Hicks, Sims, Holliday, Barber, McCleon, and Woods....aint gonna happen.....but its a nice thought

Perhaps the offense can play defense?

go bo · 09-19-2004, 07:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Coach

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Originally Posted by FringeNC
Yeah, me too. The passing game is a disaster. Did Terry Shea really mean that much to Green?

Boy... one had to wonder....

doesn't green get into trouble when he's trying way too hard to make something happen when things aren't working very well?

even tho green might not have had one of his better days, i think the poor play of most of the rest of the offense made him look worse than he really was...

oh yeah, the play of carolina's defense just might have affected the overall poor play of the offense...

whoman69 · 09-19-2004, 08:55 PM

We replaced 5 starters last year and still couldn't stop the run. What didn't make sense to me this year was to just resign our own players because they would be cheaper and because of some sort of continuity. We have continuity alright, they still are bad. But I have to look at guys like Sims and Fujita and the only thing they have known is Robinson. Its almost like we went to camp with a bunch of rookies. I still believe its the scheme, that too many can't get their heads out and figure where they are supposed to be in this scheme. We are also held back by the fact that Beisel gets pushed out of position on so many plays. Gun's D is really hampered by the fact we don't have a competent MLB. This is a really bad time to be learning a new position.

digi2fish · 09-19-2004, 09:01 PM

don't blame on the D, they scored equally to the O today.

Calcountry · 09-19-2004, 09:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Deberg_1990

Yep..you are right...Ill bet Gunther feels like choking DV right about now for letting him talk himself into coming back to fix this crappy Defense.

Who won't let them improve the shitty players?

Was that DV, GROB or Gunther? HMMMM

FU Carl.

09-19-2004, 04:55 PM
jspchief BAMF Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Your Face Casino cash: $9998710	Gunther In a post game interview, it was clear that Gunther is starting to realize the mountain he's faced with climbing. He talked about how they practiced the plays Carolina ran all week, and practiced the exact short pass play that Denver and Carolina both scored on. But the guys just keep making the same mistakes. He also threw McCleon under the bus...keep your eye out for Bartee in the starting line-up soon. Talked about how poorly our secondary played (#44 being the one bright spot). Also mentioned the shitfull tackling. It's obvious that our guys in the defensive backfield suck. Barber is non-existent. Mitchell and Beisel both over-commit on every misdirection play. Our safeties are soft, and can't hit or tackle. McCleon is not suited to be a starter at this point. The tackling is fucking brutal. How hard is it to teach these guys to wrap up? Why do we never lay good hits? Why does our entire secondary stand and watch when we get the QB in trouble? This defense isn't getting better. Until we can cover downfield, all the QB pressure in the world won't save us (as Delhomme demonstrated). I was wrong. It's not the scheme. It's the players.
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