Cardinals Cardinals vs. Chicago at Wrigley Field Weekend Thread - Page 30

**BigRedChief** · 08-08-2008, 06:38 AM

I know you Cubbie fans got a a little thread going and we(who have won 10 WS since you have even been to one) have our own thread but I thought it would be a good idea to have a thread to talk smack about the this weekends series

Cardinals vs. Chicago at Wrigley field

1:20 p.m. today FSN Midwest

Braden Looper
RH
Record 10-9
ERA 4.29

Ted Lilly
LH
Record 11-6
ERA 4.35

2:55 p.m. Saturday KTVI (Ch. 2)

Todd Wellemeyer
RH
Record 8-4
ERA 4.01

Carlos Zambrano
RH
Record 12-4
ERA 2.76

7:10 p.m. Sunday ESPN

Chris Carpenter
RH
Record 0-0
ERA 1.00

RyanDempster
RH
Record 12-5
ERA 2.93

Bad idea? Just let it fall away.

Hootie · 08-09-2008, 05:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jewish Rabbi

Soriano gets so many assists because he's challenged so much. Can you disagree with that? Is there anyone who gets run on more often than Soriano? (Discounting Chris Duncan.)

And yes, Harden is one of the top pitchers in the league, but no way is he *arguably* the best in the majors. He's not even the best pitcher on your team, although he's far and away the best #2 in baseball.

Harden is an unbelievable pitcher...he was like that with the A's...he's just extremely injury prone. When he's healthy, there is NO doubt he is better than Big Z...but Big Z is never hurt...

Would I choose Big Z over Harden? Yes, 100 times out of 100...if they are both healthy and I need one to start a must win game...Harden. (With Big Z coming out the pen, of course)...

Harden is up there with guys like Santana, Peavy, Webb, Haren, Sabathia, that, when he's on, he's unhittable. And he's a strikeout machine.

'Hamas' Jenkins · 08-09-2008, 05:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hootie

I gave you a scenario...

Cubs: 100-62
Cardinals: 97-60

which one would you choose? Would you keep it that way, or would you swap? Or are you not going to answer? Or are you going to give me the 'law of averages' bullshit...

If law of averages held true in baseball, when it mattered, the Cardinals would've been swept a few years ago rather than winning the worst World Series I've ever seen.

It's statistically insignificant which one I choose, though, as you've presented a classic gambler's fallacy.

**BigRedChief** · 08-09-2008, 05:44 PM

Hootie, WTF!
Royals players are better than the Cardinal players?

Hootie · 08-09-2008, 05:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jewish Rabbi

Soriano gets so many assists because he's challenged so much. Can you disagree with that? Is there anyone who gets run on more often than Soriano? (Discounting Chris Duncan.)

And yes, Harden is one of the top pitchers in the league, but no way is he *arguably* the best in the majors. He's not even the best pitcher on your team, although he's far and away the best #2 in baseball.

He's challenged so much because his zone rating is awful...he misplays a ball a game it seems...

If he caught everything in site and got a good jump here and there, his assists would go down, duh.

All I said, from the very beginning was...he's a lousy fielder (one of the worst) with a great outfield arm. And that's 100% true.

Jewish Rabbi · 08-09-2008, 05:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hootie

Harden is an unbelievable pitcher...he was like that with the A's...he's just extremely injury prone. When he's healthy, there is NO doubt he is better than Big Z...but Big Z is never hurt...

Would I choose Big Z over Harden? Yes, 100 times out of 100...if they are both healthy and I need one to start a must win game...Harden. (With Big Z coming out the pen, of course)...

Harden is up there with guys like Santana, Peavy, Webb, Haren, Sabathia, that, when he's on, he's unhittable. And he's a strikeout machine.

When Anthony Reyes was on he was unhittable. If you're gonna go with that bullshit, Carpenter belongs in that category *gasp* when healthy.

Hootie · 08-09-2008, 05:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

It's statistically insignificant which one I choose, though, as you've presented a classic gambler's fallacy.

!

As a fan, as a FAN of a team...you'd choose to have your team choose their destiny...any fan would...without a doubt...take the 97 win team. 100 times out of 100.

You can't answer because you know that, when it comes down to it, and everyone is figuring out who needs to win what to get into the postseason...the loss column becomes more important than the games back column.

Hootie · 08-09-2008, 05:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jewish Rabbi

When Anthony Reyes was on he was unhittable. If you're gonna go with that bullshit, Carpenter belongs in that category *gasp* when healthy.

Yeah, you can lump Carpenter in with the elite, he won a Cy Young for god's sake...

There are about 15 pitchers who are truly elite, if not a few more...and Harden is one of them.

Jewish Rabbi · 08-09-2008, 05:47 PM

Look, I found Hootie on YouTube!!

Hootie · 08-09-2008, 05:48 PM

great, now the n00b is posting youtube videos that will make no one laugh.

Seriously, hamas, if you care about this kid PM him and tell him to stop making himself look like a moron with his 2002 message board antics...seriously. I feel like I should be in high school again.

Hootie · 08-09-2008, 05:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BigRedChief

Hootie, WTF!
Royals players are better than the Cardinal players?

An exaggeration...swap Pujols and Teahan and I'm taking the Royals though!

'Hamas' Jenkins · 08-09-2008, 05:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hootie

Harden is an unbelievable pitcher...he was like that with the A's...he's just extremely injury prone. When he's healthy, there is NO doubt he is better than Big Z...but Big Z is never hurt...

Would I choose Big Z over Harden? Yes, 100 times out of 100...if they are both healthy and I need one to start a must win game...Harden. (With Big Z coming out the pen, of course)...

Harden is up there with guys like Santana, Peavy, Webb, Haren, Sabathia, that, when he's on, he's unhittable. And he's a strikeout machine.

And if he could stay healthy, he'd be Tim Lincecum.

'Hamas' Jenkins · 08-09-2008, 05:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hootie

!

As a fan, as a FAN of a team...you'd choose to have your team choose their destiny...any fan would...without a doubt...take the 97 win team. 100 times out of 100.

You can't answer because you know that, when it comes down to it, and everyone is figuring out who needs to win what to get into the postseason...the loss column becomes more important than the games back column.

You all play the same number of games and there are no ties. It means nothing.

Hootie · 08-09-2008, 05:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

And if he could stay healthy, he'd be Tim Lincecum.

I love Lincecum...lost me money his first game up last year against Cole Hamels...I bet the under at 7.5...thought it was a lock. The game was 4-4 after 3 innings...

He's one of my favorites...him and Volquez...and I've been on the Josh Hamilton bandwagon before the homerun derby made him everyones favorite player

**BigRedChief** · 08-09-2008, 05:51 PM

Hootie,

You can blow hard, yell, scream all you want to how your team is the best in baseball. And they may be but the team has a history of folding under pressure.

For crissakes you won the division last year and lost 3 strraight playoff games and went home. You play how many more games this year against the Bucks and Cards? You finish with 16 out of 22 road games. I wouldn't be thinking its a done deal that you will be raising that WS trophy at Wrigley yet pal.

Hootie · 08-09-2008, 05:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

You all play the same number of games and there are no ties. It means nothing.

Why are you trying to put a spin on the scenario? It's stupid...

If you had a choice between the two, you'd take the 97 wins and choose your own destiny...you know it, I know it, it's common sense.

08-08-2008, 06:38 AM
BigRedChief Has a particular set of skills Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: On the water Casino cash: $-761038 VARSITY	Cardinals vs. Chicago at Wrigley Field Weekend Thread I know you Cubbie fans got a a little thread going and we(who have won 10 WS since you have even been to one) have our own thread but I thought it would be a good idea to have a thread to talk smack about the this weekends series Cardinals vs. Chicago at Wrigley field 1:20 p.m. today FSN Midwest Braden Looper RH Record 10-9 ERA 4.29 Ted Lilly LH Record 11-6 ERA 4.35 2:55 p.m. Saturday KTVI (Ch. 2) Todd Wellemeyer RH Record 8-4 ERA 4.01 Carlos Zambrano RH Record 12-4 ERA 2.76 7:10 p.m. Sunday ESPN Chris Carpenter RH Record 0-0 ERA 1.00 RyanDempster RH Record 12-5 ERA 2.93 Bad idea? Just let it fall away.
Posts: 81,322

08-09-2008, 05:44 PM	#438
BigRedChief Has a particular set of skills Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: On the water Casino cash: $-761038 VARSITY	Hootie, WTF! Royals players are better than the Cardinal players? __________________ Mahomes is not a game manager. Release the Kraken.
Posts: 81,322

08-09-2008, 05:47 PM	#443
Jewish Rabbi What's up braj? Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Placencia, Belize Casino cash: $-1766750	Look, I found Hootie on YouTube!!
Posts: 16,949

08-09-2008, 05:48 PM	#444
Hootie Banned Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Dallas, Texas Casino cash: $10004900	great, now the n00b is posting youtube videos that will make no one laugh. Seriously, hamas, if you care about this kid PM him and tell him to stop making himself look like a moron with his 2002 message board antics...seriously. I feel like I should be in high school again.
Posts: 56,356

08-09-2008, 05:51 PM	#449
BigRedChief Has a particular set of skills Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: On the water Casino cash: $-761038 VARSITY	Hootie, You can blow hard, yell, scream all you want to how your team is the best in baseball. And they may be but the team has a history of folding under pressure. For crissakes you won the division last year and lost 3 strraight playoff games and went home. You play how many more games this year against the Bucks and Cards? You finish with 16 out of 22 road games. I wouldn't be thinking its a done deal that you will be raising that WS trophy at Wrigley yet pal. __________________ Mahomes is not a game manager. Release the Kraken.
Posts: 81,322