I think its time for the Cassel doubters to eat their crow

[RedThat]

The kid deserves some respect.

After todays game Im starting to believe in the guy as our quarterback. He just displayed a true testament of toughness out there and leadership.

To some people I understand its about him leading us to the playoffs and winning the superbowl in order for them to be satisfied...yada yada yada

Im not going to go by that mindset at all. I look at this game and I see the way he played and it tells me a lot about his character. We should be proud. We got a pretty good quarterback folks. That 2nd round pick we gave up was well worth it.

I think composure, toughness, and leadership are key attributes for a quarterback. Cassel has those qualities and I also love the fact that he plays with passion too.

However, I believe the number one attribute as a quarterback is the ability to respond under pressure. So now I don't want to jump the gun here and say he has that capability, but I will say, after coming back from an appendectomy and performing the way he did, is a great sign and a step in the direction towards performing well under pressure. So far so good Matt. Keep up the good work you sure as heck got my support.

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by Sannyasi

Chiefsplanet is such a reactionary message board. I am as happy as anyone with the way Cassel is playing, but he has to do it for more than a few weeks, and against better competition than the teams we have been playing. No, the schedule isn't his fault, but it is still something that has to be accounted for. Is Cassel up to it? We'll just have to wait and see, but this idea that you have to jump on the bandwagon right ****ing now is horseshit.

Sometimes a more measured approach is necessary. If we accept that Cassel's abortion of a 2009 campaign was not enough to make him a shitty QB, then surely one month of solid play isn't enough to make him a franchise quarterback. Many of us want to see Cassel keep this up, but against better competition and when it REALLY counts, in the playoffs.

I don't think it's being reactionary.

The reason for the increased optimism, at least from my end, is not just a few good games. It's the way he's using his pocket, the way he's firing accurate throws and stepping into them rather than tentatively throwing off happy feet, the way he's demonstrating leadership, and most notably the way he's smartly recognizing the blitz and looking at multiple receivers before he throws a pass.

These are things that Cassel has only started to do recently. We all know he needs to continue to show this growth against top competition, but those are all really big improvements that should translate from game to game.

[alanm]

Originally Posted by milkman

I don't think that the Chiefs can win a playoff game this year, and it won't be because Cassel isn't good enough.

It will be because of the line play on both sides of the ball.

[milkman]

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

I don't think it's being reactionary.

The reason for the increased optimism, at least from my end, is not just a few good games. It's the way he's using his pocket, the way he's firing accurate throws and stepping into them rather than tentatively throwing off happy feet, the way he's demonstrating leadership, and most notably the way he's smartly recognizing the blitz and looking at multiple receivers before he throws a pass.

These are things that Cassel has only started to do recently. We all know he needs to continue to show this growth against top competition, but those are all really big improvements that should translate from game to game.

And the way the team responded and stepped for him today.

[FRCDFED]

He has a warrier heart! Definately an intangible that cannot be overlooked. His athleticism also helps him to avoid sacks and create plays.

However, both of those qualities make it easy to overlook his lack of accuracy and arm strength. He has played well at times but is inconsistent at best. Weiss has done a great job trying to create plays that emphasize Cassels strengths.

It has already been mentioned that the schedule is out of his control but you cannot ignore the fact that we played a fairly easy schedule this season. From one perspective it is great for building confidence for a young team and can help us in the long run but it also creates a glass house. Hopefully when the level of competition increases the house doesn't fold.

This team is on the rise but the majority of the credit needs to go to our running game. J. Charles is the reason for this teams success right now and his ability makes the opponent to stack the box against the run which opens up passing lanes for Cassel.

The playoffs may give us a little more of a perspective of what we have in Cassel but if we go one and done then what then? Do we hang it on Cassel? This is a team game and he is merely a component of that team. His arm strength is not the best but if he improves on his reads and makes the easy throws more consistently (like the swing pass he threw today into the bench) then we may have a solid starter nothing more.

[OnTheWarpath15]

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

There's some nuggets of truth and some nuggets that aren't exactly true.

It's true he's not a franchise QB yet and may never be. Probably never comes even close to Rodgers, Brees, or Rivers. And 100% agree that he has a lot to prove still--how will he fare against better competition? Can he pull it off in the playoffs?

But I disagree with your definition of a game manager, as if that's a bad thing. In most of the Steelers' best years, Big Ben was below 3,500 yards. And Dilfer was a guy who had as many INTs as he did TDs.

It's only the NFC West, but it's not accurate to say that the Cassel who beat Arizona, Seattle, and St. Louis is Trent Dilfer. The Chiefs won each of these games largely due to Cassel, not in spite of him.

Nevermind that we averaged TWO HUNDRED AND ELEVEN yards rushing in our 4 games against the NFC West.

If you want to claim we're "winning games largely due to" anyone, it would be Charles/Jones.

I'd be willing to bet the winning percentage of teams rushing for 200+ is pretty freaking high.

[salame]

I wonder how much more warrior heart sam bradford has since he is a native american..........

[beer bacon]

Originally Posted by Sannyasi

Chiefsplanet is such a reactionary message board. I am as happy as anyone with the way Cassel is playing, but he has to do it for more than a few weeks, and against better competition than the teams we have been playing. No, the schedule isn't his fault, but it is still something that has to be accounted for. Is Cassel up to it? We'll just have to wait and see, but this idea that you have to jump on the bandwagon right ****ing now is horseshit.

Sometimes a more measured approach is necessary. If we accept that Cassel's abortion of a 2009 campaign was not enough to make him a shitty QB, then surely one month of solid play isn't enough to make him a franchise quarterback. Many of us want to see Cassel keep this up, but against better competition and when it REALLY counts, in the playoffs.

Not a month of a good play. He has 2,700 yards, 24 TDs, and 5 INTs through through 14 games, 13 he has played in.

[Dave Lane]

Originally Posted by ChiefsCountry

He has to win in the playoffs. Bottom line. I want wins in January and February. This good in the regular season really don't mean shit when it comes down to it. Cassel has played the last couple of months with about everything we want in a franchise QB but it comes down to winning when it counts.

So Green sucked too?

[Sannyasi]

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

I don't think it's being reactionary.

The reason for the increased optimism, at least from my end, is not just a few good games. It's the way he's using his pocket, the way he's firing accurate throws and stepping into them rather than tentatively throwing off happy feet, the way he's demonstrating leadership, and most notably the way he's smartly recognizing the blitz and looking at multiple receivers before he throws a pass.

These are things that Cassel has only started to do recently. We all know he needs to continue to show this growth against top competition, but those are all really big improvements that should translate from game to game.

I agree with all of these points, I mean I'm not disputing the facts here. We are seeing the same things. But it has to be pointed out that his improved play has come against Denver, Arizona, Seattle, and St. Louis. What happens in a playoff game against Pittsburgh or Baltimore? Does he get hit a few times and all of a sudden the happy feet come back? I honestly don't know; that is why I want to wait and see.

I don't think there is actually that large of a difference between us, other than possibly one of tone. I don't mean to say that we shouldn't be excited about Cassel's progress, only that we shouldn't give him more credit than he deserves. I specifically posted-and I know several others did as well-that I thought Cassel would be MUCH improved with Weis as OC, but I was still skeptical as to whether he could get us over the hump and win in the playoffs. And, I still am. You can serve me my crow as soon as that happens, and not a moment before.

[OnTheWarpath15]

Originally Posted by Sannyasi

I agree with all of these points, I mean I'm not disputing the facts here. We are seeing the same things. But it has to be pointed out that his improved play has come against Denver, Arizona, Seattle, and St. Louis. What happens in a playoff game against Pittsburgh or Baltimore? Does he get hit a few times and all of a sudden the happy feet come back? I honestly don't know; that is why I want to wait and see.

I don't think there is actually that large of a difference between us, other than possibly one of tone. I don't mean to say that we shouldn't be excited about Cassel's progress, only that we shouldn't give him more credit than he deserves. I specifically posted-and I know several others did as well-that I thought Cassel would be MUCH improved with Weis as OC, but I was still skeptical as to whether he could get us over the hump and win in the playoffs. And, I still am. You can serve me my crow as soon as that happens, and not a moment before.

Good post.

[milkman]

Originally Posted by Sannyasi

I agree with all of these points, I mean I'm not disputing the facts here. We are seeing the same things. But it has to be pointed out that his improved play has come against Denver, Arizona, Seattle, and St. Louis. What happens in a playoff game against Pittsburgh or Baltimore? Does he get hit a few times and all of a sudden the happy feet come back? I honestly don't know; that is why I want to wait and see.

I don't think there is actually that large of a difference between us, other than possibly one of tone. I don't mean to say that we shouldn't be excited about Cassel's progress, only that we shouldn't give him more credit than he deserves. I specifically posted-and I know several others did as well-that I thought Cassel would be MUCH improved with Weis as OC, but I was still skeptical as to whether he could get us over the hump and win in the playoffs. And, I still am. You can serve me my crow as soon as that happens, and not a moment before.

I thought we would see improved play from Cassel because Weis would do a great job of hiding his deficiencies.

What has happened, however is that Weis, Haley, an dthe staff have really worked at improving those areas he has been defficient at.

His passes are crisper because his mecahnaics are so much improved, and he's growing as a QB reading the defense, making play changes pre snap, and generally finding the open receiver.

Those are things I would not have thought I would be saying just 5 weeks ago.

[Brock]

I'm picking at the crow a bit. His arrow is pointing up.

[Ming the Merciless]

Originally Posted by Sannyasi

You can serve me my crow as soon as that happens, and not a moment before.

Its cool brah.

Every inch of cock you push away now is just gonna hurt that much more when it ramms you even harder later....Might as well lube up and enjoy.

[Sannyasi]

Originally Posted by milkman

I thought we would see improved play from Cassel because Weis would do a great job of hiding his deficiencies.

What has happened, however is that Weis, Haley, an dthe staff have really worked at improving those areas he has been defficient at.

His passes are crisper because his mecahnaics are so much improved, and he's growing as a QB reading the defense, making play changes pre snap, and generally finding the open receiver.

Those are things I would not have thought I would be saying just 5 weeks ago.

Agreed.

[stevieray]

Originally Posted by Sannyasi

when it REALLY counts

BS.... all of it already does count.