Chiefs Eric Berry has a Haglund’s deformity on his heel - Page 30

**DaFace** · 04:32 PM

Yes, it's in the other thread. Bite me.

https://www.arrowheadpride.com/2018/...ty-on-his-heel

REPORT: Eric Berry has a Haglund’s deformity on his heel
New information on Berry’s sore heel injury emerged on Saturday.
By Pete Sweeney Sep 29, 2018, 1:15pm CDT

Eric Berry has not practiced or played for the Kansas City Chiefs since August 11 in St. Joseph, Missouri, because of what the team has described as a “sore heel.”

The last we heard from the Chiefs athletic training staff was in early September, when head athletic trainer Rick Burkholder described the injury as “literally day to day.”

More information on Berry’s injury emerged Saturday morning, via NFL Network’s Mike Garafolo:

Mike Garafolo: “My understanding, and I’ve spoken to people familiar with his injury situation. He’s got what’s called a Haglund’s deformity in that Achilles. That’s a bone spur that basically digs into the Achilles. Shaun O’ Hara, our colleague at NFL Network, he had it. I spoke to him this week. He said it is extremely painful. He actually used a more colorful word that I won’t use here. It’s just something that continues to irritate the area. Some guys have been able to play with it—you get a shoe here or there, you can adjust … but that’s what’s going on. It’s going to be a pain management thing. It’s not like this thing will tear the Achilles necessarily. A lot of these cases don’t result in a tear, but that’s why with Berry right now, he has not played, and they’ve been doing OK. That’s going to allow them a little bit more patience with Berry, but it is extremely painful.”

This provides a little more clarity than Berry’s injury simply being a “sore heel,” which is good, but what’s bad is there still seems to be no timetable. Remember, Berry missed nearly the entirety of the 2017 season due to a ruptured Achilles on the other leg.

Chiefs head coach Andy Reid was mum on the injury when asked about it Saturday afternoon after the Chiefs’ final practice of the week.

Berry is officially ruled doubtful heading into the Monday night game against the Denver Broncos.

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Here are the notes from our in-house medical expert, Aaron Borgmann:

A lot of talk today regarding something known as a Haglund’s deformity. It was reported by a media source that the player in question suffers from this condition. This discussion is not to confirm or deny that possibility, as I can only explain the available information that we have been given. To be clear, the team has not confirmed this diagnosis and I have no advance knowledge of the player’s current condition.

The simple explanation here that it is indeed a bone spur on the backside of someone’s heel. This is frequently known as a “pump bump” from the occurrence that it is often seen in women’s fashion from the shoes that they wear. However, incidence in football players is also common, sometimes referred to as “retrocalcaneal bursitis” as well.

The bone spur irritates the bursa (fluid-filled sac) that sits between the bone and the tendon or even the tendon itself directly. This can cause a great deal of inflammation and discomfort with any sort of dynamic ankle/foot movement, worse with pressure on the spot itself.

Having one in and of itself it not uncommon, but the degree to which it bothers someone is the issue. Depending upon demands of movement, these can range from debilitating to just a nuisance. Obviously, in football players, the degree of inflammation is what dictates the level of function.

These are diagnosed both visually and radiographically and it is a situation where if you see it and player complains of certain symptoms (pain with movement in that exact spot, swelling, redness) then you can be pretty sure that is what it is.

Treatment focuses on reduction of inflammation obviously directly over the spot. This can be done both topically and through systemic medication. Soft tissue lengthening in both the calf and bottom of the foot is also done to alleviate the issue from both sides – this is due to the fact that both the calf and plantar fascia connect to the calcaneus (heel bone) on either side.

Not to be forgotten is footwear modification and adjustment. Very rigid shoes can cause this irritation, and in some athletes, I would even cut the shoe in the heel to allow room for the bump. Other options include specialized padding and friction reduction methods. Heel lifts have been shown to be helpful in some.

For this condition, non-surgical intervention is preferred to reduce the inflammation as opposed to surgical due to the immobilization period.

If the inflammation can be reduced and the function level high, many players learned to adapt their daily routines to accommodate. They may have to put in a bit more time in order to get ready due to the condition’s demands but can nonetheless get by and still perform at a high level.

**Rausch** · 10-12-2018, 10:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Superturtle

**** him. We have to use Kemp as a contingency plan this week at S and he STILL won't try and play through the pain. ****. Eric. Berry.

This one huts.

KCUnited · 10-12-2018, 10:43 AM

I'm sure it yurts, but he has to play through it at some point.

**Rausch** · 10-12-2018, 10:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Simply Red

When was the last time a team was ranked 32 in the league in yard allowed and made a SB?

I remember 03.

We didn't punt and still lost...

Chiefspants · 10-12-2018, 10:46 AM

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Originally Posted by FAX

Okay ... several poster people have been saying that Dorsey did NOT negotiate the deal with EB. Rather, these esteemed Planeteers have stated that Hunt stepped in, took the reins from Dorsey, and made the deal with EB for public relations purposes.

I have a question about this; where did you guys get this information? Can anyone cite a source?

Not questioning you ... don't get it twisted. I'd just like to know from whence this story originated - and from whom.

FAX

Some of its proven, some of its connecting the dots, some of its gossip. I'll look for the reports tonight, but here's the generally agreed upon timeline.

There were whispers that EB and Dorsey "weren't close" to a deal - and that Berry was upset by the negotiations.

Berry's camp then leaked that Dorsey requested that Berry take out an insurance policy as part of his new contract. This is proven (I'll look for that report tonight). This had god awful optics for the Chiefs. This was in spite of the fact that the Chiefs honored over 6 million dollars in payments that they did not have to give Berry after he went on the PUP list in 2014.

Berry gets signed. Despite signing a record contract, he does not report to OTA's. Rumors are that Berry does not attend OTA's because he's still "upset" with Dorsey over the contract negotiations.

Here's the last piece - this one also proven. Clark Hunt publicly stated that after Dorsey's firing that his hesitancy to sign Berry and Houston was a big reason why he fired Dorsey. Clark himself heavily implies that he stepped into Berry's contract negotiation to get the deal done. Clark also cites Dorsey's inability to budget in his firing, but many believe these issues were partially caused by EB's contract, forcing Dorsey to make cuts elsewhere (the phone call to Maclin was still inexcusable, but whatever).

Simply Red · 10-12-2018, 10:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rausch

When was the last time a team was ranked 32 in the league in yard allowed and made a SB?

I remember 03.

We didn't punt and still lost...

tell me - how much defense was played in last year's SB?

Hammock Parties · 10-12-2018, 10:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Rausch

No, we don't.

Yes we do.

We are a **** hair away from securing home field advantage.

This team, with a franchise QB, is nigh UNBEATABLE at Arrowhead, as we just proved by depantsing a major AFC contender within those said hallowed confines.

Dream big, because I assure you the Chiefs are.

The Chiefs will most likely play in the AFC Championship this year. Where is going to be determined in large part by tomorrow night.

IT CAN HAPPEN THIS YEAR. Last week proved it.

Hammock Parties · 10-12-2018, 10:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rausch

When was the last time a team was ranked 32 in the league in yard allowed and made a SB?

I remember 03.

We didn't punt and still lost...

Last year the Patriots had the 29TH RANKED DEFENSE.

IT CAN HAPPEN THIS YEAR MY FRIEND

staylor26 · 10-12-2018, 10:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Rausch

No, we don't.

But we have 21.8 million more next year and that's before any tinkering and restructuring that might happen.

If we're smart we can hit 32 mil under BEFORE any cuts.

BEFORE ANY CUTS.

We can be smart with trades this year (HIGHLIGHT ROOKIE-LAST-YEAR GUYS) or wait it out to draft and splurge in FA market.

NEXT YEAR IS OUR YEAR!

What a stupid ****ing take

htismaqe · 10-12-2018, 10:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rausch

When was the last time a team was ranked 32 in the league in yard allowed and made a SB?

I remember 03.

We didn't punt and still lost...

First, we have to assume this will last over a 16-game season. With 2 games against the Raiders still to go and games agains the Steelers and Chargers already behind them, they're not going to stay at 32nd. They're also improving in points against every week and are now in the top 20.

The 2011 Giants were 27th in yards and 25th in points.
The 2009 Saints were 25th in yards and 20th in points.

That's 2 in 10 years. It's not impossible.

staylor26 · 10-12-2018, 10:53 AM

This team has already beat two of the top 3 teams in the AFC with ease and has a good shot at home field advantage.

Only a ****ing moron thinks this team doesn’t have a shot at the SB.

OKchiefs · 10-12-2018, 10:55 AM

https://twitter.com/bepryor/status/1...410352128?s=19

Eric Berry is very good at stretching https://t.co/kX62TTU47X

**Rausch** · 10-12-2018, 10:55 AM

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Originally Posted by staylor26

What a stupid ****ing take

It's stupid to think having the 2nd worst defense in the league might cost you in the playoffs?

Let me guess - when that moment comes and we give up some dumb play later on you'll say "there was no way we could know..."

Hammock Parties · 10-12-2018, 10:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by htismaqe

First, we have to assume this will last over a 16-game season. With 2 games against the Raiders still to go and games agains the Steelers and Chargers already behind them, they're not going to stay at 32nd. They're also improving in points against every week and are now in the top 20.

The 2011 Giants were 27th in yards and 25th in points.
The 2009 Saints were 25th in yards and 20th in points.

That's 2 in 10 years. It's not impossible.

saphojunkie · 10-12-2018, 10:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rausch

No, we don't.

But we have 21.8 million more next year and that's before any tinkering and restructuring that might happen.

If we're smart we can hit 32 mil under BEFORE any cuts.

BEFORE ANY CUTS.

We can be smart with trades this year (HIGHLIGHT ROOKIE-LAST-YEAR GUYS) or wait it out to draft and splurge in FA market.

NEXT YEAR IS OUR YEAR!

That's limited thinking. Next year could see major starters tear an ACL in training camp, and you're sitting there wondering why the **** you didn't go for it when you were gunning for the top seed in the AFC and had the whole conference on the ropes.

When opportunity comes, you strike. You don't say "eh... I'll be in a better position to strike next year, when the opportunity OBVIOUSLY will be here again."

**Rausch** · 10-12-2018, 10:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by staylor26

This team has already beat two of the top 3 teams in the AFC with ease and has a good shot at home field advantage.

Only a ****ing moron thinks this team doesn’t have a shot at the SB.

Pat is, by far, the best QB to come out in the last 5 years.

There isn't one better.

PERIOD.

That said defense still does matter. Hill's and everyone else's speed will be slowed in december weather.

Speed, timing, grip on the field, everything is thrown off in bad weather...

09-29-2018, 01:06 PM
DaFace Kind of a mod Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Donkey Land Casino cash: $1476899	Eric Berry has a Haglund’s deformity on his heel Yes, it's in the other thread. Bite me. https://www.arrowheadpride.com/2018/...ty-on-his-heel REPORT: Eric Berry has a Haglund’s deformity on his heel New information on Berry’s sore heel injury emerged on Saturday. By Pete Sweeney Sep 29, 2018, 1:15pm CDT Eric Berry has not practiced or played for the Kansas City Chiefs since August 11 in St. Joseph, Missouri, because of what the team has described as a “sore heel.” The last we heard from the Chiefs athletic training staff was in early September, when head athletic trainer Rick Burkholder described the injury as “literally day to day.” More information on Berry’s injury emerged Saturday morning, via NFL Network’s Mike Garafolo: Mike Garafolo: “My understanding, and I’ve spoken to people familiar with his injury situation. He’s got what’s called a Haglund’s deformity in that Achilles. That’s a bone spur that basically digs into the Achilles. Shaun O’ Hara, our colleague at NFL Network, he had it. I spoke to him this week. He said it is extremely painful. He actually used a more colorful word that I won’t use here. It’s just something that continues to irritate the area. Some guys have been able to play with it—you get a shoe here or there, you can adjust … but that’s what’s going on. It’s going to be a pain management thing. It’s not like this thing will tear the Achilles necessarily. A lot of these cases don’t result in a tear, but that’s why with Berry right now, he has not played, and they’ve been doing OK. That’s going to allow them a little bit more patience with Berry, but it is extremely painful.” This provides a little more clarity than Berry’s injury simply being a “sore heel,” which is good, but what’s bad is there still seems to be no timetable. Remember, Berry missed nearly the entirety of the 2017 season due to a ruptured Achilles on the other leg. Chiefs head coach Andy Reid was mum on the injury when asked about it Saturday afternoon after the Chiefs’ final practice of the week. Berry is officially ruled doubtful heading into the Monday night game against the Denver Broncos. ---- Here are the notes from our in-house medical expert, Aaron Borgmann: A lot of talk today regarding something known as a Haglund’s deformity. It was reported by a media source that the player in question suffers from this condition. This discussion is not to confirm or deny that possibility, as I can only explain the available information that we have been given. To be clear, the team has not confirmed this diagnosis and I have no advance knowledge of the player’s current condition. The simple explanation here that it is indeed a bone spur on the backside of someone’s heel. This is frequently known as a “pump bump” from the occurrence that it is often seen in women’s fashion from the shoes that they wear. However, incidence in football players is also common, sometimes referred to as “retrocalcaneal bursitis” as well. The bone spur irritates the bursa (fluid-filled sac) that sits between the bone and the tendon or even the tendon itself directly. This can cause a great deal of inflammation and discomfort with any sort of dynamic ankle/foot movement, worse with pressure on the spot itself. Having one in and of itself it not uncommon, but the degree to which it bothers someone is the issue. Depending upon demands of movement, these can range from debilitating to just a nuisance. Obviously, in football players, the degree of inflammation is what dictates the level of function. These are diagnosed both visually and radiographically and it is a situation where if you see it and player complains of certain symptoms (pain with movement in that exact spot, swelling, redness) then you can be pretty sure that is what it is. Treatment focuses on reduction of inflammation obviously directly over the spot. This can be done both topically and through systemic medication. Soft tissue lengthening in both the calf and bottom of the foot is also done to alleviate the issue from both sides – this is due to the fact that both the calf and plantar fascia connect to the calcaneus (heel bone) on either side. Not to be forgotten is footwear modification and adjustment. Very rigid shoes can cause this irritation, and in some athletes, I would even cut the shoe in the heel to allow room for the bump. Other options include specialized padding and friction reduction methods. Heel lifts have been shown to be helpful in some. For this condition, non-surgical intervention is preferred to reduce the inflammation as opposed to surgical due to the immobilization period. If the inflammation can be reduced and the function level high, many players learned to adapt their daily routines to accommodate. They may have to put in a bit more time in order to get ready due to the condition’s demands but can nonetheless get by and still perform at a high level. Last edited by DaFace; 09-29-2018 at 04:32 PM..
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