***NON-POLITICAL COVID-19 Discussion Thread***

[JakeF]

A couple of reminders...

Originally Posted by Bwana

Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.

Originally Posted by Dartgod

People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.

We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.

Thanks!

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Spoiler!

Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.

California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.

“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”

The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.

The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”

Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.

The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.

The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.

A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.

Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.

“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”

It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.

“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”

On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.

“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”

According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.

More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.

But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.

“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”

CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.

Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.

“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”

[O.city]

Originally Posted by TLO

Hospitalizations in our area are very volatile. We discharge a decent number, and a couple days later we're right back where we were.

Our hospital has basically said, " Yeah we have room for more patients, but we're running out of people to take care of them. "

Eventually creating more room for covid patients is going to take a toll on space for non covid patients as well.

Seems to be similar situation as is playing out down here.

Our new cases count is leveling nicely, so I'm hopeful we can start coming down the slope soon but we're hitting it right as we head into cold and flu season.

[petegz28]

Kansas labs set cycle thresholds too high, detect non-contagious virus

https://sentinelksmo.org/kansas-labs...o6q_KVuQ7qa_nM

[petegz28]

WHO warns against COVID-19 lockdowns due to economic damage

https://www.foxnews.com/world/who-co...conomic-damage

[mlyonsd]

Originally Posted by petegz28

WHO warns against COVID-19 lockdowns due to economic damage

https://www.foxnews.com/world/who-co...conomic-damage

Ok quick draw McGraw. LOL

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by mlyonsd

Ok quick draw McGraw. LOL

I mean it isn't like millions of people have said this for 6 months but better late than never I guess.

[mlyonsd]

Originally Posted by petegz28

I mean it isn't like millions of people have said this for 6 months but better late than never I guess.

It's clear that after the initial spread and we figured out what the pandemic could actually do lockdowns became a political football instead of what is actually best for the larger public.

[suzzer99]

There are no lockdowns anymore. Maybe for the first few months - but that's long over. What can't you do - go to bars? What else?

[BigCatDaddy]

I for one am stunned that shutdowns were a bonehead idea that ranks right up there with attacking Pearl Harbor as one of the dumbest things in recent history.

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by suzzer99

There are no lockdowns anymore. Maybe for the first few months - but that's long over. What can't you do - go to bars? What else?

This was a mere week ago....

New York City Mayor Seeks to Lock Down Coronavirus Hotspots Starting Wednesday
https://www.usnews.com/news/top-news...ting-wednesday

[suzzer99]

Originally Posted by petegz28

This was a mere week ago....

New York City Mayor Seeks to Lock Down Coronavirus Hotspots Starting Wednesday
https://www.usnews.com/news/top-news...ting-wednesday

Is that the best you can find? NYC had field portable field morgues last winter. They have a reason to be concerned.

If it makes you feel better this is mostly a certain sect of Orthodox Jews in Brooklyn (and some in Westchester) who refuse to follow any guidelines whatsoever.

I never get an answer on the "what can't you do?" question - just continual complaining about "lockdown" and parroting mental health talking points (which are 100% politically motivated). Nothing has been really locked down for a long time now.

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by suzzer99

Is that the best you can find? NYC had field portable field morgues last winter. They have a reason to be concerned.

If it makes you feel better this is mostly a certain sect of Orthodox Jews in Brooklyn (and some in Westchester) who refuse to follow any guidelines whatsoever.

I never get an answer on the "what can't you do?" question - just continual complaining about "lockdown" and parroting mental health talking points. Nothing has been really locked down for a long time now.

You just said they don't happen anymore and now you're rationalizing them still happening


Yeah, the 14 year old kid that hung himself here from depression over all the Covid stuff was 100% political....I am sure that makes his Parents feel better


Any other blanket statements you wanna make?

[mr. tegu]

I’ve got clients of varying degrees of success and age and gender. There is no surprise to me on any of them on their views towards masks. It is not political for any of them that don’t want to wear masks. It’s more personal and a reflection of their personalities.

In general the behavioral and cognitive tendencies of the ones who don’t like the masks which existed previous to masks are that they don’t have feelings of control in most aspects of life which cause them dysfunction in many ways. They also generally view outside forces as acting against them personally as part of defending themselves from their own shortcomings.

But like most people, they want to feel in control of their lives but often find it difficult to do or see as an option. But with the masks that is something they can easily feel they are controlling within their daily lives by not doing what, in their minds, the outside forces are trying to do to them personally. So for my particular group it’s not about ignoring what’s good for others or being selfish, for them it’s about grasping something that they can finally use to take away others attempts at controlling them. Obviously this isn’t the case for everyone but I do believe this thought process of not wanting others to exert control and taking those attempts as personal occurs in a lot of people.

[suzzer99]

You got your one reply a month Pete, I'm done.

From a psychiatrist on another forum:

Completely anecdotal, as a psychiatrist thinking about what I’m hearing from my primarily low income (uninsured or Medicare/Medicaid) patients from a mental health standpoint ranking wise with most distressing at #1.

1) Parents trying to decide if they should send kids to school and if not suffering how to make tele-learning work with their other responsibilities.
2) Family member critically ill or dying of Covid
3) Patients living in residential care and similar facilities cut off completely from any societal interaction for 7 months.
4) Job losses
5) Patient actually has Covid themselves
6) General feeling of isolation in people who have means for internet / socially distanced activities etc

The remote schooling thing in context of potential exposure is the stuff of nightmares from a mental health standpoint, parents are mostly powerless, but feel they are failing kid in some way no matter how hard they are trying to make good decisions.

It's not like there's some magic cure out there of just "end lockdown" and everyone goes back to perfect happiness. People are dying from this thing. We're going to be struggling until the pandemic is over.

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by suzzer99

You got your one reply a month Pete, I'm done.

From a psychiatrist on another forum:



It's not like there's some magic cure out there of just "end lockdown" and everyone goes back to perfect happiness. People are dying from this thing. We're going to be struggling until the pandemic is over.

I thought it was all 100% political??? You're all over the ****ing place.

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by mlyonsd

It's clear that after the initial spread and we figured out what the pandemic could actually do lockdowns became a political football instead of what is actually best for the larger public.

To an extent. There was also an overwhelming economic element to them as well.