***NON-POLITICAL COVID-19 Discussion Thread***

[JakeF]

A couple of reminders...

Originally Posted by Bwana

Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.

Originally Posted by Dartgod

People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.

We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.

Thanks!

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Spoiler!

Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.

California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.

“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”

The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.

The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”

Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.

The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.

The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.

A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.

Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.

“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”

It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.

“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”

On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.

“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”

According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.

More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.

But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.

“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”

CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.

Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.

“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”

[KCUnited]

Originally Posted by Discuss Thrower

FYP

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[suzzer99]

Originally Posted by O.city

Define nailed it.

Once it got out and there was community spread, you aren't gonna stop it. You can slow it, like Germany did, but it won't last forever because people tire of it.

The whole "suppress until a vaccine" wouldn't ever work unless you have complete buy in from the populace for long term amounts of time.

In the end, we're gonna have to just power thru until there's a vaccine and do what we have to do in terms of distancing and such.

The US was never gonna be New Zealand or South Korea. Way too much disagreement. So at this point, just dig in and hope the hospitals hold up.

Germany. Merkel. Covid. Yellow. Map. pic.twitter.com/qSKYdyOXYl

— Juliette Kayyem (@juliettekayyem) October 17, 2020

Germany still seems to be holding out pretty well while their neighbors go down.

[BigCatDaddy]

Germany just hit a record high in cases BY FAR. 25% over their March peak.

LET'S DO THAT!

[OnTheWarpath15]

Originally Posted by suzzer99

Germany. Merkel. Covid. Yellow. Map. pic.twitter.com/qSKYdyOXYl

— Juliette Kayyem (@juliettekayyem) October 17, 2020

Germany still seems to be holding out pretty well while their neighbors go down.

There's an obvious answer that cannot be discussed here...

[suzzer99]

Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath15

There's an obvious answer that cannot be discussed here...

The obvious answer is they didn't do this:

Czechia was one of the first Western countries to put a mask mandate in place, and was one of the countries that most successfully contained the virus in the spring and summer. It lifted that mandate, and eased social distancing rules, in July. Et voila. https://t.co/7bUydwCMXB

— James Surowiecki (@JamesSurowiecki) October 20, 2020

[BigCatDaddy]

Originally Posted by suzzer99

The obvious answer is they didn't do this:

Czechia was one of the first Western countries to put a mask mandate in place, and was one of the countries that most successfully contained the virus in the spring and summer. It lifted that mandate, and eased social distancing rules, in July. Et voila. https://t.co/7bUydwCMXB

— James Surowiecki (@JamesSurowiecki) October 20, 2020

Now do the state of Hawaii and it's mask mandate time line.

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by Fish

JFC pete. That guy is a known anti-vaxxer nut. He's an eye doctor, for ****s sake. Check your sources before tumbling blindly into confirmation bias...

I didn't know that but I guess that means he is wrong about life. Thanks for the memo.

Now did you read the article? I still haven't. Is he right or wrong and if so, which and why?

[BigBeauford]

Covid finally came to our doorstep as my wife came into contact with a colleague who is symptomatic this week and positive this week. Had to cancel our very small getogther with the grandparents for my sons birthday this weekend and all manner of other things. What a shitshow.

On another note, we've seen a dramatic spike in Covid cases being followed at my facility We were at 30 on 9/22, and a month later we are at 87. Thankfully inpatient stays aren't drastic yet.

[Fish]

Originally Posted by petegz28

I didn't know that but I guess that means he is wrong about life. Thanks for the memo.

Now did you read the article? I still haven't. Is he right or wrong and if so, which and why?

He's cherrypicking from a bunch of legit articles to reach his own weird conclusions. The majority of the sources he uses are studying influenza. This guy is a well known quack.

[Pants]

Originally Posted by petegz28

Now did you read the article? I still haven't. Is he right or wrong and if so, which and why?

[eDave]

What I thought would happen in AZ is happening:

[O.city]

https://twitter.com/scottgottliebmd/...835209217?s=21

Huge drop in mortality across all age groups. Great news

[vailpass]

Originally Posted by BigBeauford

Covid finally came to our doorstep as my wife came into contact with a colleague who is symptomatic this week and positive this week. Had to cancel our very small getogther with the grandparents for my sons birthday this weekend and all manner of other things. What a shitshow.

On another note, we've seen a dramatic spike in Covid cases being followed at my facility We were at 30 on 9/22, and a month later we are at 87. Thankfully inpatient stays aren't drastic yet.

Best wishes for the health of your family.

[TLO]

Originally Posted by O.city

https://twitter.com/scottgottliebmd/...835209217?s=21

Huge drop in mortality across all age groups. Great news

Great news!

[BWillie]

Even expired N95s, or using them even with facial hair or not a perfect seal offers very good protection.

https://www.healthleadersmedia.com/c...research-shows

N95s matter. Played lots of poker with them on and nothin.