Cardinals Cardinals vs. Chicago at Wrigley Field Weekend Thread - Page 31

**BigRedChief** · 08-08-2008, 06:38 AM

I know you Cubbie fans got a a little thread going and we(who have won 10 WS since you have even been to one) have our own thread but I thought it would be a good idea to have a thread to talk smack about the this weekends series

Cardinals vs. Chicago at Wrigley field

1:20 p.m. today FSN Midwest

Braden Looper
RH
Record 10-9
ERA 4.29

Ted Lilly
LH
Record 11-6
ERA 4.35

2:55 p.m. Saturday KTVI (Ch. 2)

Todd Wellemeyer
RH
Record 8-4
ERA 4.01

Carlos Zambrano
RH
Record 12-4
ERA 2.76

7:10 p.m. Sunday ESPN

Chris Carpenter
RH
Record 0-0
ERA 1.00

RyanDempster
RH
Record 12-5
ERA 2.93

Bad idea? Just let it fall away.

'Hamas' Jenkins · 08-09-2008, 05:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Hootie

I love Lincecum...lost me money his first game up last year against Cole Hamels...I bet the under at 7.5...thought it was a lock. The game was 4-4 after 3 innings...

He's one of my favorites...him and Volquez...and I've been on the Josh Hamilton bandwagon before the homerun derby made him everyones favorite player

And anyone who played fantasy baseball in the last two years knew how good Hamilton was.

Stop making yourself out to be the new Bill James.

Hootie · 08-09-2008, 05:54 PM

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Originally Posted by BigRedChief

Hootie,

You can blow hard, yell, scream all you want to how your team is the best in baseball. And they may be but the team has a history of folding under pressure.

For crissakes you won the division last year and lost 3 strraight playoff games and went home. You play how many more games this year against the Bucks and Cards? You finish with 16 out of 22 road games. I wouldn't be thinking its a done deal that you will be raising that WS trophy at Wrigley yet pal.

Oh, I certainly don't...

Look at the Cardinals of a few years ago...83 regular season wins...and they get hot and win the World Series...

It's all about being hot at the right time...the Cubs have the best team but I don't give them any more of a 25% shot of winning the World Series this year...the one thing I hate about baseball that cannot be fixed...the best team usually doesn't end up winning the World Series...

In the NBA, the best team almost always win...not quite the same with the NFL, but close. In baseball, all you have to do is get to the postseason and if your pitching is hot, you have a damn good chance of winning it all.

**BigRedChief** · 08-09-2008, 05:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Nzoner

Sportscenter,CNN,NFL Network etc. it's still media hype,hell even La Russa said as much in that quote on the previous page.

Wonder if todays spanking had anything to do with Edmonds bat toss towards Tony?

'Hamas' Jenkins · 08-09-2008, 05:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Hootie

Why are you trying to put a spin on the scenario? It's stupid...

If you had a choice between the two, you'd take the 97 wins and choose your own destiny...you know it, I know it, it's common sense.

There are far more factors involved than that. You are oversimplifying.

Do I have to face Sheets and Sabathia in those five games, or Aaron Cook and Jorge De La Rosa?

Are the games at home or away?

What is the umps' strike zone like?

Does the other team run well, and does mine pitch to contact? Do they work the count? Do their pitchers pound the zone and do my hitters take a lot of 1st pitch strikes?

Hootie · 08-09-2008, 05:55 PM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

And anyone who played fantasy baseball in the last two years knew how good Hamilton was.

Stop making yourself out to be the new Bill James.

I don't think I discovered Josh Hamilton for god's sake...I just love watching him play. I rooted for him in Cincinatti after I followed his huge spring last season...took a chance on him in fantasy and it paid off for a month or two and drafted him early this year and it is really paying off. Relax...

'Hamas' Jenkins · 08-09-2008, 05:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Hootie

Oh, I certainly don't...

Look at the Cardinals of a few years ago...83 regular season wins...and they get hot and win the World Series...

It's all about being hot at the right time...the Cubs have the best team but I don't give them any more of a 25% shot of winning the World Series this year...the one thing I hate about baseball that cannot be fixed...the best team usually doesn't end up winning the World Series...

In the NBA, the best team almost always win...not quite the same with the NFL, but close. In baseball, all you have to do is get to the postseason and if your pitching is hot, you have a damn good chance of winning it all.

It's pretty easy to fix if you go back to pre-'69 expansion of the playoffs, but the league would never do that.

Hootie · 08-09-2008, 05:58 PM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

There are far more factors involved than that. You are oversimplifying.

Do I have to face Sheets and Sabathia in those five games, or Aaron Cook and Jorge De La Rosa?

Are the games at home or away?

What is the umps' strike zone like?

Does the other team run well, and does mine pitch to contact? Do they work the count? Do their pitchers pound the zone and do my hitters take a lot of 1st pitch strikes?

you play against the other 30 teams best 25 players combined...

You're a ****ing moron.

EVERYONE is taking the 97 wins...college football overtime...you choose to play defense first...NFL you choose the ball...EVERYONE would always want to make their own destiny rather than have someone else determine it...IT'S HOW WE WORK.

'Hamas' Jenkins · 08-09-2008, 06:00 PM

I always imagined Hootie playing Madden online similar to this:

Hootie · 08-09-2008, 06:02 PM

I refuse to play madden online on anything other than the regular XBOX, the gameplay on the 360 is unbelievably awful...you have NO control over your players...the movement is choppy and the graphics aren't even that great...

Now, if anyone wants to play some Halo 3...I'm all up for that. I'm a 47 but I can't get past that...tried and tried to reach a 50 but some people are just truly ****ing insane.

TheMeatSauce if anyone wants to add me.

'Hamas' Jenkins · 08-09-2008, 06:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Hootie

you play against the other 30 teams best 25 players combined...

You're a ****ing moron.

EVERYONE is taking the 97 wins...college football overtime...you choose to play defense first...NFL you choose the ball...EVERYONE would always want to make their own destiny rather than have someone else determine it...IT'S HOW WE WORK.

Yeah, because there is a statistical advantage to choosing the ball in the NFL, dipshit.

Funny thing: The Cards needed a win in 2006 to clinch the division on the last day. They determined their own destiny. Did they start Carpenter or a scrub?

They started a scrub, knowing that even if they lost, the other team would still have to win, and if they won or Houston lost, they'd have Carp for game 1 against the Pads.

It's called maximizing your odds.

If you are 101-61 and the other team is 100-60, who has the better odds? Team B has to win twice to win, and once to tie.

There is only one possible outcome where team A loses. It's not like football, that's an apples/oranges comparison.

Hootie · 08-09-2008, 06:06 PM

you can start a poll asking which someone would choose...and 80% or more will choose 97 games because IT'S COMMON SENSE TO CHOOSE YOUR OWN DESTINY...

'Hamas' Jenkins · 08-09-2008, 06:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Hootie

you can start a poll asking which someone would choose...and 80% or more will choose 97 games because IT'S COMMON SENSE TO CHOOSE YOUR OWN DESTINY...

It's fallacious, and uninformed. It's not destiny.

**BigRedChief** · 08-10-2008, 07:20 AM

maybe they have found the weakness in Big Z's pitching.
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After the offense stalled during Friday’s 3-2 loss, it was important for the Cardinals to jump to a quick start against No. 1 Cubs starter Carlos Zambrano. Skip Schumaker didn’t wait, blistering Z’s first pitch of the game for a leadoff double. He would score on a Ryan Ludwick single, and the Cardinals had a 1-0 lead. In his next AB, Schumaker homered to put the Cardinals ahead 2-1, and they led the rest of the way. I don’t know if the scouting reports figured into it, but the numbers show that when opposing hitters attack Zambrano’s first pitch, they can get something done. Zambrano doesn’t have many weaknesses, but when hitters swing and connect on the first pitch, they are hitting .342 against him.

Zambrano throws a fastball on the first pitch nearly 75 percent of the time, but most hitters lay off. Going into Saturday’s game, hitters took the first Zambrano pitch in 73 percent of their at-bats against him. But Schumaker let it rip. And the Cardinals were aggressive early in the count against Z.

'Hamas' Jenkins · 08-10-2008, 07:50 AM

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Originally Posted by BigRedChief

maybe they have found the weakness in Big Z's pitching.
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After the offense stalled during Friday’s 3-2 loss, it was important for the Cardinals to jump to a quick start against No. 1 Cubs starter Carlos Zambrano. Skip Schumaker didn’t wait, blistering Z’s first pitch of the game for a leadoff double. He would score on a Ryan Ludwick single, and the Cardinals had a 1-0 lead. In his next AB, Schumaker homered to put the Cardinals ahead 2-1, and they led the rest of the way. I don’t know if the scouting reports figured into it, but the numbers show that when opposing hitters attack Zambrano’s first pitch, they can get something done. Zambrano doesn’t have many weaknesses, but when hitters swing and connect on the first pitch, they are hitting .342 against him.

Zambrano throws a fastball on the first pitch nearly 75 percent of the time, but most hitters lay off. Going into Saturday’s game, hitters took the first Zambrano pitch in 73 percent of their at-bats against him. But Schumaker let it rip. And the Cardinals were aggressive early in the count against Z.

Sometimes Skip pisses me off when he does that. In his first four ABs Wednesday, he saw a total of six pitches, and swung five times.

StcChief · 08-10-2008, 08:10 AM

the Cards had Z's number yesterday.... Great to see the Bats exploded....

Go for the series win tonite with Carp. Very good test for him against div leaders.

08-08-2008, 06:38 AM
BigRedChief Has a particular set of skills Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: On the water Casino cash: $-761038 VARSITY	Cardinals vs. Chicago at Wrigley Field Weekend Thread I know you Cubbie fans got a a little thread going and we(who have won 10 WS since you have even been to one) have our own thread but I thought it would be a good idea to have a thread to talk smack about the this weekends series Cardinals vs. Chicago at Wrigley field 1:20 p.m. today FSN Midwest Braden Looper RH Record 10-9 ERA 4.29 Ted Lilly LH Record 11-6 ERA 4.35 2:55 p.m. Saturday KTVI (Ch. 2) Todd Wellemeyer RH Record 8-4 ERA 4.01 Carlos Zambrano RH Record 12-4 ERA 2.76 7:10 p.m. Sunday ESPN Chris Carpenter RH Record 0-0 ERA 1.00 RyanDempster RH Record 12-5 ERA 2.93 Bad idea? Just let it fall away.
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Hootie Banned Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Dallas, Texas Casino cash: $10004900	I refuse to play madden online on anything other than the regular XBOX, the gameplay on the 360 is unbelievably awful...you have NO control over your players...the movement is choppy and the graphics aren't even that great... Now, if anyone wants to play some Halo 3...I'm all up for that. I'm a 47 but I can't get past that...tried and tried to reach a 50 but some people are just truly ****ing insane. TheMeatSauce if anyone wants to add me.
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08-09-2008, 06:06 PM	#461
Hootie Banned Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Dallas, Texas Casino cash: $10004900	you can start a poll asking which someone would choose...and 80% or more will choose 97 games because IT'S COMMON SENSE TO CHOOSE YOUR OWN DESTINY...
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08-10-2008, 07:20 AM	#463
BigRedChief Has a particular set of skills Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: On the water Casino cash: $-761038 VARSITY	maybe they have found the weakness in Big Z's pitching. ----------------------------------------------------------------- After the offense stalled during Friday’s 3-2 loss, it was important for the Cardinals to jump to a quick start against No. 1 Cubs starter Carlos Zambrano. Skip Schumaker didn’t wait, blistering Z’s first pitch of the game for a leadoff double. He would score on a Ryan Ludwick single, and the Cardinals had a 1-0 lead. In his next AB, Schumaker homered to put the Cardinals ahead 2-1, and they led the rest of the way. I don’t know if the scouting reports figured into it, but the numbers show that when opposing hitters attack Zambrano’s first pitch, they can get something done. Zambrano doesn’t have many weaknesses, but when hitters swing and connect on the first pitch, they are hitting .342 against him. Zambrano throws a fastball on the first pitch nearly 75 percent of the time, but most hitters lay off. Going into Saturday’s game, hitters took the first Zambrano pitch in 73 percent of their at-bats against him. But Schumaker let it rip. And the Cardinals were aggressive early in the count against Z. __________________ Mahomes is not a game manager. Release the Kraken.
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StcChief Playing for #1 Draft Pick Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Just West of Lambs land Casino cash: $10004900	the Cards had Z's number yesterday.... Great to see the Bats exploded.... Go for the series win tonite with Carp. Very good test for him against div leaders. __________________ sig test for this screwy schema
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