Chiefs Pioli Deserves Props - Page 31

Hoover · 04-29-2012, 09:12 AM

The NFL draft is a lot like Christmas morning. There is a lot of anticipation leading up to the big day, and when the time finally arrives to see what’s under the tree for us we can sometimes be a little disappointed.

We all remember the Christmas that we got everything we wanted. For Chiefs fans that was last year. We got a QB, WR, DBs, and LBs. Heck we even liked the more practical gifts like a Rodney Hudson. Frankly, the 2011 draft gave us a lot to play with, and we used them.

After a big year like 2011, some of you seem down. Sure we got the big present we always talk about (NT), but its’ not as cool as we thought it would be. We also ended up with some more practical gifts than we expected.

Here is how I view this draft, and to be honest I’m pretty stoked about it.

After having a draft like we did in 2011 where we seemed to hit on almost every pick, it wasn’t necessary for the Chiefs to snag additional pass rushers to sit behind guys like Hali and Houston. While we are still a little shallow when it comes to the safety position and could use some depth at center, the Chiefs are well positioned. In fact, I think the practicality of the 2012 Chiefs draft will allow them the flexibility in future drafts to aggressively seek out play makers to add to this team.

If there is one thing that I think Pioli deserves credit for, it’s rebuilding the Chiefs offensive live. While Albert was already hear when he arrived, Pioli not only filled a glaring hole at RT when he signed Eric Winston, but his last three drafts has set the Chiefs on a course to maintain a quality offensive line for years to come.

Many on this board recoiled at any suggestion that the Chiefs should use their first round pick on a lineman. After all the heated debates about the value of DeCastro, Pioli seems to agree with those who don’t want to invest first round picks on the line. Maybe instead of bitching that we didn’t have the Steelers’ draft, some of you should praise Pioli for doing exactly what you advocated for.

In the last three years, Pioli has taken four offensive linemen in the 2nd and 3rd rounds of the draft. Asamoah and Hudson are now starters. Jeff Allen is going to push Ryan Lilja for a starting spot at guard, but is more likely to be seasoned for a year before finding a permanent home on the life. I know it’s sometimes hard to get excited about the offensive line, but Pioli obviously has a process that seems to be working really well.

Picking back-to-back tackles isn’t as exciting as drafting guys like Justin Houston or Javier Arenas, but it feeds a system that can produce quality linemen that allows the Chiefs not use first round picks on offensive tackles, guards, or centers. It also means that the Chiefs will not be forced to commit free agent dollars on those positions either.

We are lucky to have landed Winston this offseason. Without him there would probably be no Poe. I like how Pioli is building this team. While I continue to be frustrated about Cassel, finding a franchise QB is never easy. We have had three solid drafts under Pioli and we can already see the results. Yes we need to find a QB, but at least we are building a strong team while we continue to look for him.

Direckshun · 04-30-2012, 07:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Satanic Goat

The Texans don't make the playoffs with Yates playing well.

They don't make the playoffs if a lot of factors don't go their way.

If their defense hadn't been wholesale rejuvenated in Phillips' 3-4, they don't make the playoffs.

If Arian Foster hadn't continued destroying worlds, they don't make the playoffs.

If Yates didn't have a 10 year All Pro to relyon , they don't make the playoffs.

Hell -- if the Broncos and Chiefs made smarter moves at QB in 2012 (Broncos starting Tebow all season, Chiefs starting Orton soon as he arrived), they'd both have at least one- or two-game improvements, and the Texans don't make the playoffs.

I haven't been reading this thread, but let's be honest with ourselves, Yates was not carrying the Texans. He was Sanchez-ing it for the most part. Which is what you can hope a 5th rounder can do.

But let's not get so wrapped up in our Pioli Hate that we turn every other team in the league into the Model We Should Be.

Coogs · 04-30-2012, 08:28 AM

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Originally Posted by scho63

Isn't it ironic that Todd Haley tried to turn all our lineman into Lean Cuisine spokesmen and Pioli is drafting a bunch of heffers-

Heve you acturally seen our first 3 picks in the draft this year? They are all pretty chiseled.

BoneKrusher · 04-30-2012, 08:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Satanic Goat

Next week I'm starting a "cassel deserves props" thread just for the fun

**HemiEd** · 04-30-2012, 08:46 AM

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Originally Posted by kczoo

I like your attitude. Most everyone on here is a smartass, incompetent, unknowledgeable "chiefs fan". I dint post much because replies are from dumbasses saying, you spelled a word wrong; Christ.........idiots. Good read, good tude. Open the gates, let the peasants in.

What is "dint?"

**J Diddy** · 04-30-2012, 09:42 AM

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Originally Posted by HemiEd

What is "dint?"

It's short for dinty moore.

It means he was stewing over what to think.

Hammock Parties · 04-30-2012, 01:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Direckshun

I haven't been reading this thread, but let's be honest with ourselves, Yates was not carrying the Texans. He was Sanchez-ing it for the most part. Which is what you can hope a 5th rounder can do.

But let's not get so wrapped up in our Pioli Hate that we turn every other team in the league into the Model We Should Be.

Oh, I agree completely.

It's pretty clear though that the Texans aren't making the playoffs with Tyler Palko out there.

That's my point.

Pioli has horribly bungled our QB situation two years in a row.

**BigMeatballDave** · 04-30-2012, 01:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Satanic Goat

Oh, I agree completely.

It's pretty clear though that the Texans aren't making the playoffs with Tyler Palko out there.

That's my point.

Pioli has horribly bungled our QB situation two years in a row.

I'd say 4 yrs.

Hammock Parties · 04-30-2012, 01:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Dave

I'd say 4 yrs.

You're probably right. Croyle was responsible for that 31-0 embarrassment in 2010.

And Pioli learned from that mistake by replace Croyle with someone even worse.

Coogs · 04-30-2012, 01:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Satanic Goat

Pioli has horribly bungled our QB situation two years in a row.

You may be right. I still am anxious to see Stanzi... and Quinn for that matter... perform during the preseason games this year. If they look like total crap, then I will be inclined to belive you. But until then, I am choosing to remain optimistic that one of the two might pan out.

philfree · 04-30-2012, 02:59 PM

Two great teams with great QBs. NE Patriots and the Green Bay Packers.

Who has been their backups the last couple years? That's right they both brought in seasoned vets as backups just in case thier starter went down.

No they didn't! I'll go with the young backups like a Stanzi or Flynn before I'll bring in a vet. Normally it's already been determined that the vet is not starter material so I'd rather go with a young guy who might end up being the QBOTF or the next Tom Brady.

You will never develope a QB if all you do is bring in vets to be your backup.

**HemiEd** · 04-30-2012, 03:00 PM

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Originally Posted by J Diddy

It's short for dinty moore.

It means he was stewing over what to think.

Thanks.

htismaqe · 04-30-2012, 03:09 PM

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Originally Posted by philfree

Two great teams with great QBs. NE Patriots and the Green Bay Packers.

Who has been their backups the last couple years? That's right they both brought in seasoned vets as backups just in case thier starter went down.

No they didn't! I'll go with the young backups like a Stanzi or Flynn before I'll bring in a vet. Normally it's already been determined that the vet is not starter material so I'd rather go with a young guy who might end up being the QBOTF or the next Tom Brady.

You will never develope a QB if all you do is bring in vets to be your backup.

The other side of that coin is the Colts - who had Curtis Painter waiting in the wings.

Of course, they ended up with Andrew Luck, so maybe it IS the way to go.

philfree · 04-30-2012, 03:19 PM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe

The other side of that coin is the Colts - who had Curtis Painter waiting in the wings.

Of course, they ended up with Andrew Luck, so maybe it IS the way to go.

Well it helps the backup if you don't let the whole roster go to crap while your star is winning games.

Titty Meat · 04-30-2012, 03:27 PM

How does a GM who's already fired the coach he hired 3 years ago and traded for one of the worst QB's in the league deserve credit?

**BigMeatballDave** · 04-30-2012, 03:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Bo's Pelini

How does a GM who's already fired the coach he hired 3 years ago and traded for one of the worst QB's in the league deserve credit?

I dislike Pioli because of his handling of the QB situation.

QBs win SBs. Not HCs.

04-29-2012, 09:12 AM
Hoover Rufus Dawes Jr. Join Date: Aug 2000 Casino cash: $228179	Pioli Deserves Props The NFL draft is a lot like Christmas morning. There is a lot of anticipation leading up to the big day, and when the time finally arrives to see what’s under the tree for us we can sometimes be a little disappointed. We all remember the Christmas that we got everything we wanted. For Chiefs fans that was last year. We got a QB, WR, DBs, and LBs. Heck we even liked the more practical gifts like a Rodney Hudson. Frankly, the 2011 draft gave us a lot to play with, and we used them. After a big year like 2011, some of you seem down. Sure we got the big present we always talk about (NT), but its’ not as cool as we thought it would be. We also ended up with some more practical gifts than we expected. Here is how I view this draft, and to be honest I’m pretty stoked about it. After having a draft like we did in 2011 where we seemed to hit on almost every pick, it wasn’t necessary for the Chiefs to snag additional pass rushers to sit behind guys like Hali and Houston. While we are still a little shallow when it comes to the safety position and could use some depth at center, the Chiefs are well positioned. In fact, I think the practicality of the 2012 Chiefs draft will allow them the flexibility in future drafts to aggressively seek out play makers to add to this team. If there is one thing that I think Pioli deserves credit for, it’s rebuilding the Chiefs offensive live. While Albert was already hear when he arrived, Pioli not only filled a glaring hole at RT when he signed Eric Winston, but his last three drafts has set the Chiefs on a course to maintain a quality offensive line for years to come. Many on this board recoiled at any suggestion that the Chiefs should use their first round pick on a lineman. After all the heated debates about the value of DeCastro, Pioli seems to agree with those who don’t want to invest first round picks on the line. Maybe instead of bitching that we didn’t have the Steelers’ draft, some of you should praise Pioli for doing exactly what you advocated for. In the last three years, Pioli has taken four offensive linemen in the 2nd and 3rd rounds of the draft. Asamoah and Hudson are now starters. Jeff Allen is going to push Ryan Lilja for a starting spot at guard, but is more likely to be seasoned for a year before finding a permanent home on the life. I know it’s sometimes hard to get excited about the offensive line, but Pioli obviously has a process that seems to be working really well. Picking back-to-back tackles isn’t as exciting as drafting guys like Justin Houston or Javier Arenas, but it feeds a system that can produce quality linemen that allows the Chiefs not use first round picks on offensive tackles, guards, or centers. It also means that the Chiefs will not be forced to commit free agent dollars on those positions either. We are lucky to have landed Winston this offseason. Without him there would probably be no Poe. I like how Pioli is building this team. While I continue to be frustrated about Cassel, finding a franchise QB is never easy. We have had three solid drafts under Pioli and we can already see the results. Yes we need to find a QB, but at least we are building a strong team while we continue to look for him.
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