Houston Signs

[Mother****erJones]

Originally Posted by ThaVirus

The guy's a national sports writer. They just see the Houston, Poe and Berry picks and assumes Pioli just had an eagle eye for talent. They don't see the horrible depth, commitment to shitty QBs, or that he tried to trade Jamaal Charles.

I don't know what's worse. That Pioli tried to trade him (if he's such a brilliant evaluator) or that Washington wouldn't give up a lousy 5th round pick to take a chance on him.

[GoShox]

I never knew the Jamaal Charles thing. I got in an argument with someone on a different board a while back, he was trying to tell me how good of a GM Pioli was here in KC. I don't think people understand how much he destroyed this franchise, and seeing people call him a brilliant talent evaluator is, well, as Eric Winston would call it, "thickening."

[ThaVirus]

Originally Posted by GoShox

I never knew the Jamaal Charles thing. I got in an argument with someone on a different board a while back, he was trying to tell me how good of a GM Pioli was here in KC. I don't think people understand how much he destroyed this franchise, and seeing people call him a brilliant talent evaluator is, well, as Eric Winston would call it, "thickening."

I could seriously list all the things he did well in his time here on one hand.

1. Drafting Houston
2. Drafting Poe
3. Managing the cap
4. Signing Jamaal to an uber team-friendly deal
5. Signing DJ to an uber team-friendly deal

I'm not even going to mention drafting Berry because of 1) obvious circumstances and 2) it was a no-brainer pick. That's legitimately all he did well in his time here and the list of things he did horribly is just too long to even want to get into.

[Mother****erJones]

Originally Posted by GoShox

I never knew the Jamaal Charles thing. I got in an argument with someone on a different board a while back, he was trying to tell me how good of a GM Pioli was here in KC. I don't think people understand how much he destroyed this franchise, and seeing people call him a brilliant talent evaluator is, well, as Eric Winston would call it, "thickening."

Pioli didn't destroy us. He just kept us in the cellar. I will never forgive him for taking ****ing Donald Stephenson over Russell Wilson.

[-King-]

Originally Posted by Mother****erJones

Pioli didn't destroy us. He just kept us in the cellar. I will never forgive him for taking ****ing Donald Stephenson over Russell Wilson.

Every team I cluding the Seahawks took players over Wilson.
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[Mother****erJones]

Originally Posted by -King-

Every team I cluding the Seahawks took players over Wilson.
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True but his interview on NBC where he said "we loved Russell Wilson," made me want to ****ing snap someone's neck.

If he truly "loved" Wilson, he wouldn't of taken a ****ing OT over the player he "loved" in round 3 when you have Branden Albert at LT, who was just fine.

[RealSNR]

Originally Posted by -King-

Every team I cluding the Seahawks took players over Wilson.
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We had Matt ****ing Cassel as our starting QB and entered what every talent scout and their mothers called the deepest QB draft in recent memory, and Pioli went 7 ****ing rounds and said, "No thanks. I'm good, really. I already got enough QB competition. Have you met Brady Quinn?"

It's plainly obvious that that mother****er could have been gift-wrapped Andrew ****ing Luck at our pick in the 1st round, and he would have passed on him. Remember what he said immediately after the 2011 season. "I don't need to make it more plain: Matt's the starter."

That asswipe had his head so far up his own ****ing ass. That's why it's stupid to say, "Every other team passed on Russell Wilson." They passed on Russell Wilson. Pioli IGNORED Russell Wilson. That's the ****ing difference.

[Mother****erJones]

Originally Posted by SNR

We had Matt ****ing Cassel as our starting QB and entered what every talent scout and their mothers called the deepest QB draft in recent memory, and Pioli went 7 ****ing rounds and said, "No thanks. I'm good, really. I already got enough QB competition. Have you met Brady Quinn?"

It's plainly obvious that that mother****er could have been gift-wrapped Andrew ****ing Luck at our pick in the 1st round, and he would have passed on him. Remember what he said immediately after the 2011 season. "I don't need to make it more plain: Matt's the starter."

That asswipe had his head so far up his own ****ing ass. That's why it's stupid to say, "Every other team passed on Russell Wilson." They passed on Russell Wilson. Pioli IGNORED Russell Wilson. That's the ****ing difference.

I swear. I'll be 50 years old and Pioli could be walking down the street and I'd still punch him the throat. As he's dying I'd whisper "Should've taken Wilson, asshole!"

[The Bad Guy]

Originally Posted by SNR

We had Matt ****ing Cassel as our starting QB and entered what every talent scout and their mothers called the deepest QB draft in recent memory, and Pioli went 7 ****ing rounds and said, "No thanks. I'm good, really. I already got enough QB competition. Have you met Brady Quinn?"

It's plainly obvious that that mother****er could have been gift-wrapped Andrew ****ing Luck at our pick in the 1st round, and he would have passed on him. Remember what he said immediately after the 2011 season. "I don't need to make it more plain: Matt's the starter."

That asswipe had his head so far up his own ****ing ass. That's why it's stupid to say, "Every other team passed on Russell Wilson." They passed on Russell Wilson. Pioli IGNORED Russell Wilson. That's the ****ing difference.

And now the mother ****er gives interviews and talks about how Russell Wilson had the best interview of anyone he's ever interviewed at the combine. He gushes over Wilson, but refused to even consider him because he was dying to prove Cassel was the right move.

Hell, I was told a story years ago about how Kaepernick was who a lot of scouts wanted as our #1 that year and it was Pioli's call for Baldwin.

[go bo]

yep, and i'm having a toke and i hate the asshole too...

[Mr. Laz]

Huge $ for Justin Houston: $21.5M in 2015, $43m by March 2016. $52.5M total by March 2017. $32.5M full guar. $52.5m guar for injury. Wow

— Jason La Canfora (@JasonLaCanfora) July 15, 2015

[Mother****erJones]

Clark Hunt flopping his big dick..err I mean wallet on the table.

[Chiefnj2]

Holy cow. Are these numbers for real? Perhaps it has been discussed, but I don't understand structuring it like this. Huge cap hit the next few years.

http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/kansas-ci...ustin-houston/

2015 cap hit 5.1 mil
2016 cap hit 19.1 mil
2017 cap hit 20.6 mil
2018 cap hit 19.1 mil

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

Don't know if true, but I think Haley made a push for Hasselbeck and for kaepernick. His dad said from the beginning that cassel was no good.

By all accounts, Kaepernick was Haley's pick but he was overridden.

Originally Posted by Chiefnj2

Holy cow. Are these numbers for real? Perhaps it has been discussed, but I don't understand structuring it like this. Huge cap hit the next few years.

http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/kansas-ci...ustin-houston/

2015 cap hit 5.1 mil
2016 cap hit 19.1 mil
2017 cap hit 20.6 mil
2018 cap hit 19.1 mil

Seems like those are accurate, yes.

The reason you structure it like that is the rollover provision. By removing $8 million from this season's cap figure, it rolls over to next season in effect bringing his 2016 cap hit down accordingly by bringing our overall cap figure for the 2016 league year up by $8 million. Then you can shell game the amount that doesn't get spent in 2016 to carry over into 2017.

It's a difficult thing to have to keep reminding yourself of, but with a rollover in place, a heavy frontloading is almost always going to be defensible. Let's say that Houston would have been fine with cap figures of $15 million/season over the next 3 seasons (the average of the 3 above). The Chiefs couldn't actually fit $15 million into this season but they could could have gone ahead and gone with $13 million this season then $16 million and $16 million to make that work. Instead they went with $5 mil this season, $8 rolls over into the 2016 season and raises your cap by $8 million; you can create a fiction of allocating the first $3 million of that rollover to the $19 million cap hit for next season to make it a 'virtual' $16 million and then the remaining $5 million to his 2017 number to get it to around $16 million as well.

In the meantime, you've created near term flexibility for potential extensions to ascending players or the opportunity to sign undervalued FAs.

Without the rollover it's nutty, but with the rollover it makes perfect sense. It operates a lot like the Ben Grubbs extension did. The Chiefs have shown a preference for structuring deals like this and with no rollover taxes/penalties, it makes a lot of sense.

[O.city]

It's a pretty exciting time in chiefs land when players actively want to be here and enjoy it. Add to that our current coaching system and it seems pretty cool.

If we can just best denver this year it would be even better, but until we do, I'm guessing we cant.