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Old 01-26-2020, 01:35 PM  
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Kobe Bryant and daughter killed in helicopter crash
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https://www.tmz.com/2020/01/26/kobe-...-in-calabasas/
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Old 01-27-2020, 10:15 AM   #451
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wow, kobe's death has overshadowed superbowl monday on most of the sports talk shows

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Old 01-27-2020, 10:27 AM   #452
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One would think, but being a Chiefs fan skews the age/years ratio.

Think of it in terms of "Cat Years"

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Old 01-27-2020, 10:31 AM   #453
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That video is nothing.

Shoot an approach when you have mountainous terrain surrounding you and the ceiling is at minimums.

That will pucker your ass.
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Yeah sometimes you actually earn your flight pay.

Like I said earlier, I been involved in many “long green table” aviation mishap boards from both sides of the table. I’ve buried far too many Marines and friends to have much sympathy left for poor judgement.


In my old type of flying, it’s dangerous enough without poor head work.


I’ have done stupid as well. I’m not aware of stupid aviation immunity. While my stupider aviation stuff was in my youth, and always single pilot. I think how stupid and lucky then I was.

In those or similar SOCAL conditions, below mins, to EL TORO, Tustin, Pendleton, or Miramar, I As a primary F/W guy but single piloting a Cobra attack Helo would do the below under some misguided view that I had to get there:

I would cross over on the Ocn Tacan till feet wet, cancel my IFR, and start an IMC instrument let down till 100 feet using the radar altimeter and visually picking up the waves and sneaking in, then hitting the VFR airfield reporting points and asking for a Special V entry. Seems to be this guys plan minus the IFR flight plan/rules.

So I know helo stupid as well. I just feel for Koby and the passengers not at the controls.

You earlier mentioned pressures to get the job done in poor conditions. I agree BUT there’s 1 aircraft commander. His call. His actions. Likely killed others.
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Old 01-27-2020, 11:14 AM   #454
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Old 01-27-2020, 12:23 PM   #458
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It appears the helicopter didn’t go down but flew directly into the mountain at a high rate of speed. They passengers likely didn’t know what happened to them.

Kobe was a god in Los Angeles, so this hurts especially with those photos with his Daughter. She had a full life of promise ahead of her, it’s gut wrenching.
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Looking like CFIT.

It had to be terrifying for the pilot. The passengers probably didn’t have a clue unless the pilot gave away how tense the situation was.

I’ve flown in situations when unforcasted weather moved in, and it is intense. You have to have the guts to make the decision to divert and wait. It’s harder than it sounds.

A very few times in my career I got pushed pretty hard by the passengers to fly into situations that were not safe. I stood my ground and pissed them off, but when people realize they are arguing with a guy that’s trying to save his own life they usually back off.

This pilot might have been pressured into doing something he knew wasn’t safe. Every single pilot with any decent amount of time has experienced this.
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Likely. Bad judgment. Guys always say, “ He was a good pilot, right up until....’

Debris field and impact scar point to flying into the earth in controlled flight. Possible mechanical in flight. But probably not transmission, tail rotor or main rotor drive train based on impact/debris. If so ,little time to cut power/ reduce torque off the tail rotor- the cause of violent spinning from that earlier helo crash video.
If loss of power but drive train is functioning. Here’s where the “good pilot stuff” comes in. Again the impact scar doesn’t point to that.

“ Loss of situational awareness led to ground impact resulting in occupiable living space being reduced”
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Flight profile. Linked earlier

Last tracks show climb. Minor descent previously.

Terrain avoidance? Others here know that terrain much better than me. Also points to powered flight.

Some pilots think flying instruments is a near emergency. Some helo guys think IFR equals “I Follow Roads.” We know from the comms that this guy was requesting special Visual flight rules and following roads when the controllers are sequencing IFR traffic, and dealing with a wave off or go around-likely due to weather.

I guess I don’t have much sympathy for the aviating just for Koby, his daughter, and the other occupants.
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“The pilot eventually headed north along the 118 freeway before turning to the west, and started following above the 101 freeway around Woodland Hills, CA.

At around 9:40 AM they encounter more weather—as in seriously heavy fog—and the chopper turned south. This was critical, because they turned toward a mountainous area.

The pilot suddenly and rapidly climbed from about 1200 feet up to 2000 feet. However, moments later—around 9:45 AM—they flew into a mountain at 1700 feet. Flight tracker data shows they were flying at about 161 knots.”


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Slight decent....trying to get under the ceiling to see.

We've all heard stories directly from guys that do this, it's just insane to me.

I can imagine terrain avoidance is worthless when you are that close to the ground, too. Everything would be red.
Reading the posts here, it sounds very similar to what happened to Patsy Cline when she died in a Cessna that flew right into a cliff. Have any of you pilots ever looked at her plane crash? Just curious.
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Question for Cp pilots: Why fly a helicopter - which doesn't have to maintain any certain airspeed in order to stay up - 180+ mph when you can't see? Why not hover or at least move forward extremely slowly until you get some better visibility? And don't they have radar/crash avoidance systems? It just doesn't make sense.
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Reading the posts here, it sounds very similar to what happened to Patsy Cline when she died in a Cessna that flew right into a cliff. Have any of you pilots ever looked at her plane crash? Just curious.
She was on her way home from performing at Memorial Hall in KCK when her plane crashed.
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Question for Cp pilots: Why fly a helicopter - which doesn't have to maintain any certain airspeed in order to stay up - 180+ mph when you can't see? Why not hover or at least move forward extremely slowly until you get some better visibility? And don't they have radar/crash avoidance systems? It just doesn't make sense.
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"We have to be there on time"
Too many instances of this.

Both Buddy Holly's crew and Patsy Cline's were offered free rooms and meals to wait until adverse we as ther cleared, but they all wanted to quickly reach their destinations...
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Only thing I could come up with too.
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My 2014 Grand Cherokee has crash avoidance, so I would presume a helicopter used by Kobe would be at least similarly equipped. Isn't there some type of siren that goes off before you go careening face first into a mountain?

If not, let's you and me start a business.
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Sad part is, with 9 people you know someone got there late, and he felt pressure/the need to push it.
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