The MLB lockout thread

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by Bronco_buster2

For the 2021 year, the MLB base salary was $570,000, the NFL was $660,000 and the NBA was $925,000.

These are salaries are prorated. So if a player gets to the major league level, they don't make $570,000. They make that salary divided by the amount of days they are at the MLB level.

Just two years ago, 398 MLB players out of 1267 in the MLBPA earned at least $1Million. That's 31%. The players representing the player's union in negotiations are all living on very healthy contracts. They aren't negotiation their own contracts though, they are negotiating more topics than most of us have clue about.

The narrative that all players are greedy scum bags isn't true. They are physically gifted far more than you and I, and bring their owners millions of dollars with their talents.

Few people, if anybody at all, are arguing against the idea of players near the bottom of the scales getting paid more or sooner.

The dispute is whether or not anything the MLBPA is pushing for or digging their heels in on would have a meaningful impact on that.

These middle relievers that spend their early/mid 20s working through the ranks, get called up at 26 and then ride the AAA shuttle up and down through their 3 options seasons so they accumulate maybe a year total on a major league roster - boy that's tough. Those guys will be 29 years old, still 5 year removed from being MLB free agents and with the way bullpens are managed, they've probably burned hot and bright and will be shot by the time they're 2nd year arb eligible at 32 yrs old.

Granted, they'll have made a couple million by then so it's not nothing, but it does seem like something can/should be done to help later arriving prospects who teams are going to ride until they cost real money and then replace.

But that's just not where the majority of the effort seems to be going right now.

[Bronco_buster2]

In what ways do you feel the MLBPA should be pushing more on that topic? I'm not using a sarcastic voice when I ask this, I'm genuinely curious of your thoughts.

Would the increased minimum salary proposal address it? Or the bonus pool for pre-arb players address it? And weren't both areas something the union was working to address?

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by Bronco_buster2

In what ways do you feel the MLBPA should be pushing more on that topic? I'm not using a sarcastic voice when I ask this, I'm genuinely curious of your thoughts.

Would the increased minimum salary proposal address it? Or the bonus pool for pre-arb players address it? And weren't both areas something the union was working to address?

I think the players offering to raise the pre-arb bonus pool from $10 million to $100 million (down from $105 million) isn't any sort of 'offer' at all. That's an invitation to go **** yourself. Get serious about that conversation.

And at last check, the owners had accepted the minimum salary proposal.

[Bronco_buster2]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

I think the players offering to raise the pre-arb bonus pool from $10 million to $100 million (down from $105 million) isn't any sort of 'offer' at all. That's an invitation to go **** yourself. Get serious about that conversation.

And at last check, the owners had accepted the minimum salary proposal.

So the MLB was going to raise the pre-arb pool from 5M to just 10M, and the players were originally asking for 115M. I don't think that's fair to say they weren't asking for enough when it's 115% more than the MLB's lousy 5M increase. I know the MLBPA backed off the proposal for super 2 status qualifications, but do we know where they had supposedly settled on the pre-arb pool number? Or is that still one of the hang ups?

[htismaqe]

I think a lot of people are baseball fans because they played it as a kid.

In small town rural America, especially before the late 1990's, the only option for kids to play organized sports was little league. Basketball and football weren't nearly as accessible and in most cases, didn't even exist for kids younger than junior high.

Baseball was the defacto kids game everywhere I ever lived.

[Bronco_buster2]

Originally Posted by htismaqe

I think a lot of people are baseball fans because they played it as a kid.

In small town rural America, especially before the late 1990's, the only option for kids to play organized sports was little league. Basketball and football weren't nearly as accessible and in most cases, didn't even exist for kids younger than junior high.

Baseball was the defacto kids game everywhere I ever lived.

Nailed it. Football will always be my favorite, but baseball was different for the reason you are saying. I was wearing a uniform at the age of 5. That didn't happen in football or basketball until I was in the 7th grade.

I figured the emergence of traveling baseball over the years would have led to a bigger audience, but it really hasn't. It may have hurt it. It may have caused too big of a gap between the better players and the average players turning the average players away too soon.

[Titty Meat]

Originally Posted by htismaqe

I think a lot of people are baseball fans because they played it as a kid.

In small town rural America, especially before the late 1990's, the only option for kids to play organized sports was little league. Basketball and football weren't nearly as accessible and in most cases, didn't even exist for kids younger than junior high.

Baseball was the defacto kids game everywhere I ever lived.

Back yard baseball games with all the kids in the neighborhood were ****ing lit!

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by Titty Meat

Back yard baseball games with all the kids in the neighborhood were ****ing lit!

The problem was that we could always find at least three guys to go play some form of football.

Baseball takes at least 5 or 6 along with a bucket of baseballs and a damn big open space.

The logistics were just a lot tougher

[Bronco_buster2]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

The problem was that we could always find at least three guys to go play some form of football.

Baseball takes at least 5 or 6 along with a bucket of baseballs and a damn big open space.

The logistics were just a lot tougher

That’s why we played wiffle ball! 2 on 2. Small yard worked. “Ghosty” runners. Nobody wanted to go retrieve the ball when we fouled it into the old lady’s yard next door. Man she was mean.

[Titty Meat]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

The problem was that we could always find at least three guys to go play some form of football.

Baseball takes at least 5 or 6 along with a bucket of baseballs and a damn big open space.

The logistics were just a lot tougher

Man we had a group of 8-10 every night and a giant back yard. I had more fun playing backyard baseball than high school sports tbh

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by Titty Meat

Man we had a group of 8-10 every night and a giant back yard. I had more fun playing backyard baseball than high school sports tbh

My favorite sports to play as a kid was rollerhockey in the parking lot of the neighborhood pool.

Man that was a blast. And invariably the game would end when things started getting heated. You're not really supposed to be checking guys (there's no boards, afterall) but somebody would be trying to get down the side of the 'rink' and he'd get hip checked over the curb into a fence and all hell would break loose.

I could snap the hell out of that little ball, man.

[Ocotillo]

Before delivering "best and final offer," 30 MLB owners gathered on a Zoom call, per 3 sources.

4 voted no, because they thought it was too generous (!).

More will vote no if CBT over $220. So, a DOA offer was too high for some owners.

Details:https://t.co/KFx9WaBdjW

— Andy Martino (@martinonyc) March 3, 2022

Sources: Angels, Diamondbacks, Reds and Tigers owners opposed MLB luxury tax increase to $220 million. MLB also proposed including player meal money in calculation of luxury tax, which irked players. https://t.co/gBKrqAx9wV

— Evan Drellich (@EvanDrellich) March 4, 2022

[Ocotillo]

Sources: MLB, MLBPA lawyers met today, planning to meet again tomorrow. MLB has suggested Tuesday as deadline, in its eyes, for 3 things: play 162 games, and for players to get full pay & full service time. But, pay/service/sked can’t be unilaterally chosen—needs to be negotiated

— Evan Drellich (@EvanDrellich) March 8, 2022

MLB has told the Players Association it expects to cancel another week of games without a deal reached tomorrow, sources tell me and @KenRosenthal.

— Evan Drellich (@EvanDrellich) March 8, 2022

[dlphg9]

Newest proposal from the MLB should be enough to get this done.

On service time, with @Ken_Rosenthal:

• A team that brings up a player for Opening Day can net 3 draft picks over time, one pick per year, if that player does well in voting


That's kinda interesting.

[BigRedChief]

Originally Posted by dlphg9

Newest proposal from the MLB should be enough to get this done.

On service time, with @Ken_Rosenthal:

• A team that brings up a player for Opening Day can net 3 draft picks over time, one pick per year, if that player does well in voting


That's kinda interesting.

what does that mean? Voting for what? Player of the year? All-Star game?

This is why they are not playing? Again only the elite of the elite get this treatment to be called up later to get another year of service. Maybe effects 1 player a year.

All the other shit going the players way like no salary cap and they are still not playing over 1 player out of hundreds getting another year of service time before they get $100+ million guaranteed contract handed to them by another team.