***NON-POLITICAL COVID-19 Discussion Thread***

[JakeF]

A couple of reminders...

Originally Posted by Bwana

Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.

Originally Posted by Dartgod

People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.

We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.

Thanks!

Click here for the original OP:

Spoiler!

Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.

California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.

“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”

The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.

The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”

Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.

The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.

The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.

A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.

Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.

“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”

It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.

“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”

On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.

“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”

According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.

More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.

But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.

“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”

CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.

Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.

“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”

[O.city]

While that’s bad

I’m not sure we haven’t been at that number of daily infections before. Sadly.

[RunKC]

Originally Posted by TLO

December.

My wife works in healthcare. Her job deals with elder care expansion. She was told that December doesn’t seem likely for her their facilities. Likely January.

Hopefully that means all these bigger more affected cities are getting it next month.

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by O.city

While that’s bad

I’m not sure we haven’t been at that number of daily infections before. Sadly.

I agree and as I stated earlier, I am confident that at least some places are reporting people as being positive even though they have never been tested. They are simply making an assumption via contact tracing that if you were exposed you are positive.

[O.city]

Originally Posted by petegz28

I agree and as I stated earlier, I am confident that at least some places are reporting people as being positive even though they have never been tested. They are simply making an assumption via contact tracing that if you were exposed you are positive.

Assumed positive is different than reported or atleast was the last I read

[BigRedChief]

Originally Posted by petegz28

He champions adding people that have never been tested to the positives list then the very next post points out how large the list of positives are.

Are you denying that there are more cases now? more hospitalizations? more deaths? than say a month ago? Keeping your head in the sand doesn't change the reality happening in the USA. Everywhere.

I post something positive to you and your family. Then later posted a simple fact on how many Americans tests positive today. I'm not seeing something hypocritical here.

[BigRedChief]

Originally Posted by O.city

Assumed positive is different than reported or atleast was the last I read

No kidding. Big difference. Just because you were in the room where a + Covid patient was and you remain asymptomatic why should you marked with a possible covid person? I know for medical reasons we need to track patients with Covid for the benefit of all. But, if these lists are turned around and used by insurance companies to deny care, that should be against the law.

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by O.city

Assumed positive is different than reported or atleast was the last I read

Yeah well what I have been told is assumed positive is going in the positive column.

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by BigRedChief

Are you denying that there are more cases now? more hospitalizations? more deaths? than say a month ago? Keeping your head in the sand doesn't change the reality happening in the USA. Everywhere.

I post something positive to you and your family. Then later posted how many Americans tests positive today.I'm not seeing something hypocritical here.

That's not what I said at all. I said you were okay with adding people who never tested to the list of positives then you were talking about how large the list of positives has become. Think about it a little more.

[MahomesMagic]

What did the CHARM recruits have to do? The study explains, and, as you will see, they faced an even more strict regime that has existed in civilian life in most places.

All recruits wore double-layered cloth masks at all times indoors and outdoors, except when sleeping or eating; practiced social distancing of at least 6 feet; were not allowed to leave campus; did not have access to personal electronics and other items that might contribute to surface transmission; and routinely washed their hands. They slept in double-occupancy rooms with sinks, ate in shared dining facilities, and used shared bathrooms. All recruits cleaned their rooms daily, sanitized bathrooms after each use with bleach wipes, and ate preplated meals in a dining hall that was cleaned with bleach after each platoon had eaten. Most instruction and exercises were conducted outdoors. All movement of recruits was supervised, and unidirectional flow was implemented, with designated building entry and exit points to minimize contact among persons. All recruits, regardless of participation in the study, underwent daily temperature and symptom screening. Six instructors who were assigned to each platoon worked in 8-hour shifts and enforced the quarantine measures. If recruits reported any signs or symptoms consistent with Covid-19, they reported to sick call, underwent rapid qPCR testing for SARS-CoV-2, and were placed in isolation pending the results of testing.

Instructors were also restricted to campus, were required to wear masks, were provided with preplated meals, and underwent daily temperature checks and symptom screening. Instructors who were assigned to a platoon in which a positive case was diagnosed underwent rapid qPCR testing for SARS-CoV-2, and, if the result was positive, the instructor was removed from duty. Recruits and instructors were prohibited from interacting with campus support staff, such as janitorial and food-service personnel. After each class completed quarantine, a deep bleach cleaning of surfaces was performed in the bathrooms, showers, bedrooms, and hallways in the dormitories, and the dormitory remained unoccupied for at least 72 hours before reoccupancy.

No national news story that I have found highlighted the most important finding of all: extreme quarantine among military recruits did nothing to stop the virus, compared with a non-quarantine group.

The study is important because of the social structure of control here. It’s one thing to observe no effects from national lockdowns. There are countless variables here that could be invoked as cautionary notes: demographics, population density, preexisting immunities, degree of compliance, and so on. But with this Marine study, you have a near homogeneous group based on age, health, and densities of living. And even here, you see confirmed what so many other studies have shown: lockdowns are pointlessly destructive. They do not manage the disease.
https://www.aier.org/article/even-a-...study-reveals/

[O.city]

Originally Posted by petegz28

Yeah well what I have been told is assumed positive is going in the positive column.

We know the highest rate of infections are happening in households. It’s a pretty reasonable assumption all things considered

Last I saw they weren’t on the positive count but that may have changed

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by O.city

We know the highest rate of infections are happening in households. It’s a pretty reasonable assumption all things considered

Last I saw they weren’t on the positive count but that may have changed

But it is just that, an assumption. You can't assume someone got Covid. I think it varies on who places them there. I just know I never see any "assumed positive" columns on any of these sites.

One person that I believe was put down as positive was not in my household.

So either report them and * the list saying this includes assumed positives or leave them off. Either way if this is happening it is artificially inflating the number of cases.

[Donger]

Originally Posted by petegz28

CDC: Masks protect the wearer

WHO: 85% of cases are people who wore masks all the time

https://www.cnn.com/2020/10/16/polit...ent/index.html

[R Clark]

Originally Posted by Donger

https://www.cnn.com/2020/10/16/polit...ent/index.html

Leave it to you to post that

[Donger]

Originally Posted by R Clark

Leave it to you to post that

You're welcome?

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by R Clark

Leave it to you to post that

Yeah I don't know what Trump has to do with any of it but the report from the CDC is the report from the CDC. I have seen a lot of "media" try to split hairs on the whole thing and that's right up Donger's alley.

So while the report says "that doesn't mean they were wearing them properly", it also doesn't say they weren't.

Nearly three-quarters of people interviewed in a non-peer-reviewed study conducted by the CDC said that they had worn a mask or cloth face covering while in public in the weeks leading up to their COVID-19 diagnosis. The report concluded that although people were wearing masks, that does not mean they were wearing them properly, and that "masks cannot be effectively worn while eating and drinking, whereas shopping and numerous other indoor activities do not preclude mask use."